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Clutch's and Flywheels - Dual Mass vs. Single
« on: July 08, 2011, 07:08:19 pm »
Might be looking at a new clutch for the money pit so will need to replace the flywheel too, I know some single mass flywheels can be noisy but that isn't really an issue for me, what are the real benefits or downsides of running a sinlge vs. dual mass flywheel?

Also can you think of any other clutch kits to consider?

Sachs
Helix
Clutchmasters
South Bend
 
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Re: Clutch's and Flywheels - Dual Mass vs. Single
« Reply #1 on: July 08, 2011, 07:12:54 pm »
If noise is not an issue then S.bend smf is the boy to have what an awesome bit of kit belongs centre piece in the living room and not getting dirty and abused. Quality bit of kit would not fit anything else. Stevie.
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Re: Clutch's and Flywheels - Dual Mass vs. Single
« Reply #2 on: July 08, 2011, 07:14:42 pm »
Quote from: s3dubbin on July 08, 2011, 07:12:54 pm
If noise is not an issue then S.bend smf is the boy to have what an awesome bit of kit belongs centre piece in the living room and not getting dirty and abused. Quality bit of kit would not fit anything else. Stevie.

Is that with the Helix clutch?  How much is the complete kit?  :drinking:
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Re: Clutch's and Flywheels - Dual Mass vs. Single
« Reply #3 on: July 08, 2011, 07:17:43 pm »
There's also Spec, though i have no xperience with them
As we talked about at Inters the Sachs uprated SMF solution doesn't seem to be the best out there for our cars, so i could be tempted by the fx400 that you mentioned.
SMF vesus DMF. With the torque our cars produce and how we use the cars i don't think that a DMF will last long, as it's built with comfort in mind and not hard use and with the price for one i think it will be very expensive running them on cars modded to our levels. I don't know of any upgraded DMF solutions so only OEM available.

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Re: Clutch's and Flywheels - Dual Mass vs. Single
« Reply #4 on: July 08, 2011, 07:43:27 pm »
Quote from: Tfsi_Mike on July 08, 2011, 07:14:42 pm
Quote from: s3dubbin on July 08, 2011, 07:12:54 pm
If noise is not an issue then S.bend smf is the boy to have what an awesome bit of kit belongs centre piece in the living room and not getting dirty and abused. Quality bit of kit would not fit anything else. Stevie.

Is that with the Helix clutch?  How much is the complete kit?  :drinking:

Have a look on JBS page Mike. Full s.bend 520lbsft drag. Used daily. Love it must have done around 4k miles with it now. Stevie.
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Re: Clutch's and Flywheels - Dual Mass vs. Single
« Reply #5 on: July 08, 2011, 10:08:40 pm »
How does the pedal feel on the South Bend clutch and what's the engagement like?
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Re: Clutch's and Flywheels - Dual Mass vs. Single
« Reply #6 on: July 08, 2011, 11:39:39 pm »
DSG nuff said!
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Re: Clutch's and Flywheels - Dual Mass vs. Single
« Reply #7 on: July 09, 2011, 06:32:32 am »
Quote from: Tfsi_Mike on July 08, 2011, 07:14:42 pm
Quote from: s3dubbin on July 08, 2011, 07:12:54 pm
If noise is not an issue then S.bend smf is the boy to have what an awesome bit of kit belongs centre piece in the living room and not getting dirty and abused. Quality bit of kit would not fit anything else. Stevie.

Is that with the Helix clutch?  How much is the complete kit?  :drinking:

Have a look on JBS page Mike. Full s.bend 520lbsft drag. Used daily. Love it must have done around 4k miles with it now. Stevie.

"Recommended uses are drag racing, drifting and limited street. "   :confused:

Have you noticed your left left is 2" bigger than your right leg?

Should be a bombproof soloution for mine
« Last Edit: July 09, 2011, 09:29:37 am by SteveP »
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Re: Clutch's and Flywheels - Dual Mass vs. Single
« Reply #8 on: July 09, 2011, 09:31:21 am »
That description suggests its has a very harsh engagement  :rolleye:

I think the endurance spec sounds better for mine  :happy2:
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Re: Clutch's and Flywheels - Dual Mass vs. Single
« Reply #9 on: July 09, 2011, 10:29:47 am »
Quote from: SteveP on July 09, 2011, 09:31:21 am
That description suggests its has a very harsh engagement  :rolleye:

I think the endurance spec sounds better for mine  :happy2:

Endurance looks like the sachs kit I currently have but with SMF, which has been more than upto the job.
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Re: Clutch's and Flywheels - Dual Mass vs. Single
« Reply #10 on: July 09, 2011, 10:40:54 am »
Quote from: Tfsi_Mike on July 09, 2011, 10:29:47 am
Quote from: SteveP on July 09, 2011, 09:31:21 am
That description suggests its has a very harsh engagement  :rolleye:

I think the endurance spec sounds better for mine  :happy2:

Endurance looks like the sachs kit I currently have but with SMF, which has been more than upto the job.

Sachs uprated with smf does not cope with high revs and quick shifts, ask Fuscobal and me  :wink:
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Re: Clutch's and Flywheels - Dual Mass vs. Single
« Reply #11 on: July 09, 2011, 10:42:45 am »
Quote from: danishmkvgti on July 09, 2011, 10:40:54 am
Quote from: Tfsi_Mike on July 09, 2011, 10:29:47 am
Quote from: SteveP on July 09, 2011, 09:31:21 am
That description suggests its has a very harsh engagement  :rolleye:

I think the endurance spec sounds better for mine  :happy2:

Endurance looks like the sachs kit I currently have but with SMF, which has been more than upto the job.

Sachs uprated with smf does not cope with high revs and quick shifts, ask Fuscobal and me  :wink:

I heard about problems with quick shifts but couldnt remember which Clutch / FW combo it was
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Re: Clutch's and Flywheels - Dual Mass vs. Single
« Reply #12 on: July 09, 2011, 11:01:04 am »
I have just had Sachs uprated and left the oem DMF in as Steve at Statllers said he has never yet seen a damaged DMF. I think you would have to be driving the car with the clutch slipping for some time before you damaged the DMF.

There seems to be different viewpoints from different respected tuners on this issue so it is hard to make an informed choice.

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Re: Clutch's and Flywheels - Dual Mass vs. Single
« Reply #13 on: August 12, 2011, 02:18:22 pm »
OK, I am now in need of the clutch so looking to make a decision, any else have any thoughts on this before I hand over my cash moneys?

Also anyone know of any deals around on kits?
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Re: Clutch's and Flywheels - Dual Mass vs. Single
« Reply #14 on: August 12, 2011, 02:30:07 pm »
Put an helix clutch in mine, and love it :smiley:
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