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Re: Rolling Road.....disapointing results..
« Reply #90 on: March 28, 2009, 04:42:16 pm »
Fully agreed VC.

Our GTI runs crap on Shell here. Yet runs like a monster on Caltex.

We know this because we have done oil analysis on the different brands in Cape Town and although I cant post info (its illegal) I can tell you that some fuel brands are big liars. Some of the Ron is well below standard and that why our Porsche, our GTI and my dads superbikes and tourer run on octane booster.

Also...

The injectors on a GTI according to a VW specialist I know (Who buys our products for this exact reason) is a very weak spot as far as contaminants, soot and build up is concerned. Im going to recommend the following:

1. Injector Cleaner by Liqui Moly. Run in the car for about 400km... Maybe more if you want.
2. Valve Cleaner by Liqui Moly. Also. Run for about 400km.
3. Engine flush. After using the other products (they can be mixed) run the engine flush at operating temp for ten minutes idling and then drain the oil.
4. Replace with a Liqui Moly FULLY SYNTHETIC oil (If you want the spec I can look it up .Sure its a 5w40 but dont quote me) for added Lubricity and protection.

Now Liqui Moly. Their products are TUV approved and are approved by VW. I can provide Data Sheets.

Ironically Porsche told us our 911 needed new injectors as the car lags (Very very slightly) and that this was common and everyone did it. My dad said wait. Chucked the products above in. Changed the oil (but used Mobil 1) and problems solved.

If you want the product codes so you can buy those products drop me a PM and I will supply them.

All Im trying to say is that there is a lot of small things that contribute to one big thing.

Mike

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Re: Rolling Road.....disapointing results..
« Reply #91 on: March 28, 2009, 04:46:46 pm »
Can you find out the history of the car Duncan? Give the previous owner a call. Try find out her/his driving manners and what products were used in the vehicle. Also What age is the car (Please dont give me a plate. A year rather) and how many KM?

Mike
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Re: Rolling Road.....disapointing results..
« Reply #92 on: March 28, 2009, 04:49:27 pm »
I will call up a few specialists here and consult our racing teams head technician and see if he has any suggesting and refer him to this thread.

Mike
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Re: Rolling Road.....disapointing results..
« Reply #93 on: March 28, 2009, 04:50:04 pm »
out of interest why fully synthetic and not semi?

also, do you not have the choice at the pump then when it comes to octane? within 5 miles of my house i can find the full range right up to 100+ in the UK
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Re: Rolling Road.....disapointing results..
« Reply #94 on: March 28, 2009, 05:04:34 pm »
Hello VC

The answer is simple. Protection.

Now let me share a small secret... Fully Synthetic and semi.... They are two very different things.

Semi Synthetic: 10 to 30% synthetic

When formulating the oil they use a certain process to refine the oil (All oils start as crude etc. Its the additives and combination of Hydro carbons that result in a type of oil being different to another). Now semi synthetic pretty much means that they went half way. YET! The oil companies charge you the same price for a semi as they do for a fully. Major rip off for less protection.

Fully Synthetic: 100% Synthetic

Here you are getting the ultimate protection. You get increased service life by up to 30 000km because Synthetic oils last much longer and its the same price (sometimes a little more expensive) than a semi. I would never recommend a semi.

If you are in any doubt of a oil. Check the API rating. It should be a SM spec. This is the highest spec available.

Mike

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Re: Rolling Road.....disapointing results..
« Reply #95 on: March 28, 2009, 05:08:46 pm »
Also...

Use a fully synthetic 5w40 oil for the GTi (Not sure on the .:R but can find out for you).

For even better protection use a 0w40. Most damage in an engine occurs during start up and a 0w40 allows optimum protection (Takes about 20 seconds to circulate throughout the engine) whereas a 5w40 or 10w40 can take up to 20-30 seconds.

According to our experience using a synthetic oil with its added lubricity (Esp if 0w40) can add up to 5 or 6HP to a car.

Hence why I want to know what Duncans car has had in it. How its been driven so I can look at our range (Which is locally available where you guys are) and try solve the small problems. Which as we know. Cause the big problems.

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Re: Rolling Road.....disapointing results..
« Reply #96 on: March 28, 2009, 05:57:43 pm »
I thought that VW would instantly dismiss any warranty claim, engine related if any 3rd party oil's are used in the engine?
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Re: Rolling Road.....disapointing results..
« Reply #97 on: March 28, 2009, 06:01:29 pm »
Quote from: snapey on March 28, 2009, 05:57:43 pm
I thought that VW would instantly dismiss any warranty claim, engine related if any 3rd party oil's are used in the engine?

dude unless vw have started making their own oil then its all 3rd party
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Re: Rolling Road.....disapointing results..
« Reply #98 on: March 28, 2009, 06:04:18 pm »
Quote from: snapey on March 28, 2009, 05:57:43 pm
I thought that VW would instantly dismiss any warranty claim, engine related if any 3rd party oil's are used in the engine?

Hence why Liqui Moly will gladly supply you with the official VW, BMW, Porsche etc etc etc etc approvals which you can give to your dealer when you ask them to do an oil change at a service. That way VW are happy to use a 3rd Party oil due to the TUV approvals and approvals from VW.

Just show the approvals and give them the oil you want to use. VW will gladly use the oil and allow you to keep the warranty.

For your own piece of mind. Ask your dealer but afaik this is the general process in Germany where Liqui Moly is produced.

Besides that VW dont produce their own products. Much like the Liqui Moly approvals VW test oils and approve them. Commonly VW will use Quartz 9000 in the GTI as it is cheap and easy to get hold of.

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Re: Rolling Road.....disapointing results..
« Reply #99 on: March 28, 2009, 06:08:19 pm »
as long as VW approved oil is used (VW 502/505/507 etc) then warranty is not affected.

if they find that the oil in the car is of a type that does not conform to their spec then they can and will throw out a warranty claim on the engine.

plenty of oil types out there tho with VW approval.
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Re: Rolling Road.....disapointing results..
« Reply #100 on: March 28, 2009, 06:09:27 pm »
Quote from: Very Cherry on March 28, 2009, 06:01:29 pm
Quote from: snapey on March 28, 2009, 05:57:43 pm
I thought that VW would instantly dismiss any warranty claim, engine related if any 3rd party oil's are used in the engine?

dude unless vw have started making their own oil then its all 3rd party

I didn't mean it in that sense, The bottle of the stuff I have in the garage is made by 'quantum' which is straight over the counter from VW, which complies with the 504.00 or 505.00 (which ever one of the two it is I'm not sure off the top of my head) standard used in the 2.0TFSI engine. However I'm talking about putting any bottle of miller, lucas etc in the engine because it say 5w30 on the bottle.
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Re: Rolling Road.....disapointing results..
« Reply #101 on: March 28, 2009, 06:12:34 pm »
All cleared up, cheers  :happy2:
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Re: Rolling Road.....disapointing results..
« Reply #102 on: March 28, 2009, 06:14:54 pm »
Correct Snapey!

Never put an oil, additive or cleaner into your VW unless it is approved by VW. Thats why I recommended Liqui Moly because all their products including polishes and waxes are approved by VW. If an oil is not approved for your vehicle the data sheet will tell you.

Listen up guys...

Im going to start another thread as this is 2 pages of off topic. You guys happy with that?

Mike
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Re: Rolling Road.....disapointing results..
« Reply #103 on: March 28, 2009, 06:17:34 pm »
i think we're done on the oil thing anyway mike. good input tho.

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Re: Rolling Road.....disapointing results..
« Reply #104 on: March 28, 2009, 08:16:23 pm »
as stated earlier in the post - just really hoping its a Boost leak.

am definitley getting the DV fixed with VW's latest revision which is newer than the 'G' version and am also getting the PCV replaced as well with the lastest VW part as mine are nearly 3 years old..

if its not either of those 2 then it going to cost me which is extremley annoying considering the car is still under warranty.

had it into VW for a full day and they couldnt find a fault so what can you do? if they dont find anything on tuesday then is going to be a bit of an issue. there is no way that the car should be only running 185bhp and really low torque compared to a stock GTI.

need to go for a spin in a standard GTI and see the difference
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