Norh London Riots. Now spreading to Birmingham apparently.

[vRS Carl]

What's a batton round?

A 37mm x 122mm Solid Rubber Slug like these below



Fired from one of these



New ones are slightly different enabling them to be used within 1m and trust me they fcuking hurt

[markymark]

What's a batton round?

A 37mm x 122mm Solid Rubber Slug like these below fired from a specialist gun



New ones are slightly different enabling them to be used within 1m and trust me they fcuking hurt

They look ok but I think they should use something a little more permanent for these scumbags! But its better than CCTV!!!

[vRS Carl]

I hope these stupid bitches get a baton round to the face

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14458424?ref=nf

[Ifti]

They've just done Barking and Ilford as well. The police has closed up all the shops etc there. JD Sports has been looted, as has a jewellers.
Hope they don't come near me!

[the bruce]

I can't understand why the police aren't able to stop this.

Sad to need the army to stop kids . . .

[garrardrj]

Hopefully following this we can get some laws giving the Police proper powers to deal with scum like we have roaming our streets every day. These recent incidents are just them all working together in gangs. Police should be allowed to meet force with force , we are restricted due to too many worries about losing our jobs. Look at the recent drunk who got pushed by and hit by an officer who eventually died , officer is due to face charges ! How does this effect policing ? Too many cameras , cctv , camera phones etc. The media have made the Police over many years to be bad guys........................WE ARE NOT

[Janner_Sy]

The police havent got the numbers and the youths arent bothered by them anyway.  They would be alot more wary against the armed forces  applying riot control.  The police still need to take the lead, but they are not willing to accept the fact that it is to large and widespread for them to control now.

Its simple, use the manpower and kit of the forces to block the rioters in, and send the police in to make the arrests.  Thers no shame in admitting its t o much to control, if anything does this not show that removing 6000+ officers from the beat is a ridiculous move.

Also its still flaring up in gillingham wear i am.  Primark is on fire in the town centre

[garrardrj]

I can't understand why the police aren't able to stop this.

Sad to need the army to stop kids . . .

You really have no idea do you ! The Police are way too restricted in every way possible , we have 30000 PCSO's who cannot be used in these circumstances , if we had recruited Police officers they would be used.............Reason...........TOO SAVE MONEY !

[Janner_Sy]

Every thing is about saving money now.

[garrardrj]

We do not punish anywhere severely enough in the UK. These looters and rioters know they are unlikely to be imprisoned hence what is the deterrent ? Police can arrest but what do we do with those arrested ? The Cells are full and so are the Prisons ! The Country has become complacent as far as law and order is concerned and it is coming back to bite them . Police officers are human beings and have to consider their safety together with what is going on around them .To arrest one person takes the arresting officer , another officer to escort minimum and another to drive the van to get them to the cells. A Custody Sergeant to authorise detention and then some one to look after the prisoner. If only we could tie them up/handcuff them together and leave them secured and move on we would soon sort out the problem. We have to consider their safety human rights etc etc etc !

[stealthwolf]

Apache with the 308 firing,watch them run

I was thinking the same thing!

As above, PCSOs are useless - Govt way of saving money and a similar thing happens in the NHS with nurse practitioners, ACPs etc. It's a shortcut solution to a longterm problem and it doesn't work.

I think it was on the news about how the Army isn't adequately trained to deal with things like this - it's very different to the combat environment in the Middle East.

What we need is Batman!

[vRS Carl]

That's the problem - Human Rights.

The second they commit a crime and are caught in the act by the police they should lose all human rights. The police should be allowed to Handcuff them to a Lamp post, Railings etc give them a good shoeing with their Batons and then move on. They are then left there till they either chew their arm off to get away or they die

Cnuts the lot of them

[Janner_Sy]

I think it was on the news about how the Army isn't adequately trained to deal with things like this - it's very different to the combat environment in the Middle East.

What we need is Batman!

Every unit before deploying to northern ireland, iraq and afghanistan will under go riot training as part of their overall training packages.  Even as engineers we did it, the infantry guys do it even more so.  We work iin tandem with the NI police forces during marching seasons to maintain public order so i wouldnt say we arent trained to do this,they just dont want to show they have lost control

[stealthwolf]

I know the guys deployed in NI were riot-trained but from I think it was the BBC News this morning, they stated that the army were not trained for this sort of thing.

More scaremongering I suppose.

[vRS Carl]

They are Kicking off in Wolverhampton at the moment. Not sure to what extent yet but police are dealing with it according to Sky.