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Re: JKM Rolling Road - 15th October 2011....
« Reply #375 on: October 18, 2011, 06:21:44 pm »

Stage one ed30 will spin in 1 and 2, maybe 3 if it's bone dry.... If you ain't spinnin you ain't winnin!


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Re: JKM Rolling Road - 15th October 2011....
« Reply #376 on: October 18, 2011, 06:23:07 pm »

That was my thoughts - its a really odd hybrid like a stage one and a stock mixed together and made some kind of bluefin/vw love child


....In other words, or rather just one word: a barstewards!


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Re: JKM Rolling Road - 15th October 2011....
« Reply #377 on: October 18, 2011, 06:26:14 pm »

That was my thoughts - its a really odd hybrid like a stage one and a stock mixed together and made some kind of bluefin/vw love child


....In other words, or rather just one word: a barstewards!

Well put!!

Stage 2 map copying to bluefin as I type  :laugh:


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Re: JKM Rolling Road - 15th October 2011....
« Reply #378 on: October 18, 2011, 06:31:13 pm »
I'll be outside changing the car's oil for the next half an hour.... should be able to smell punished tyres from here.

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Re: JKM Rolling Road - 15th October 2011....
« Reply #379 on: October 18, 2011, 06:32:05 pm »
I should 'drive' past yours so you can smell it  :signLOL: albeit I don't know where you live, so ill just tear up the whole of corfe mullen haha


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Re: JKM Rolling Road - 15th October 2011....
« Reply #380 on: October 18, 2011, 06:42:33 pm »
ok my turn for an update.............

Like Alex's car, ive also had issues with so called "feeling of Clutch slip" from my rolling road day on saturday.

My car has had lots of remap issues in the past, the last was when i tried applying a stage 2 map, my Stock fuel pump accoarding to the fuel logs, was not supplying 109.99 bar of fuel pressure , and in some cases , only managing as low as 75bar, which was making me feel in the car that it felt like it was pulling back under load.
I then approached Superchips for a resolution, and they then "played" with my remap, and sent it back, and after re-logging, the fuel pressures and my engine Timing issues appeared to have recovered and show that alls well....
Alex at this point contacted SC, and gave them my serial number of handset, and asked for my revamped map to loaded to his handset, as it appeared to be showing all was running better on mine.

At JKm on saturday how ever, my car appeared to show symptoms of Clutch slip, where Jim had alot of attempts to get my car to spin up in 4th gear, without the rev's running away with its self.
I up to this point, hadnt seen any signs of clutch slip on the road, and was abit bermused when jim said , theres a problem. He said this was the 2nd time he had seen this happen to a dsg Ed30 and the other was Hedge's old car..
I decided today to try and replicate this fault, and sure enough, on a step hill, in 2nd gear, managed to get the rev's to do the same as jim had noticed on the dyno.. which i then started thinking the worst, and thoughts of im gonna have to get shot of this car , because a clutch pack repair bill would of been close to £2000  :scared:
Took the car home, went in and loaded back the stock map, and went for another test drive and couldnt get any sort of clutch slipping symtoms, and at factory torque of around 250 lb ft, wasnt showing signs of an issue whilst in Stock mode.

So After having various chats with Alex and Hedge over the weekend, i decided to call Superchips, and ask for a completely new Remap, scrapping what i had, and see if the full fat remap at stage 2 would eat my clutch,or make the fault more prenounced as you would think it should.

I was advised by Ian (hedge) that they do a Torque limited remap, that caps the torque level at around 280 lb ft, but also makes the cars power delivery more linear in delivery.
I also decided to do a DSG reset of the clutches, to see if also poor clamping pressures were a cause. I found a link from Ross Tech from this site, and followed the instructions including a long winded test drive running all gears from 2nd 3rd,4th, 5th,6th for 5 minute spells to see if that would help.This was done with the car in Stock, before i downloaded the replacement remap from SC.I have never done this before to the car, after 40k miles, i thought it was worth a punt.

Anyway, loaded the new stage 2 map, and took out for a test drive drive :driver:!!!!! There is no slippage whatsoever!, gear changes are now smooth as silk, power delivery is super smooth right to the red line, with no Flatspot at around 3000-3500 which ive always put down to my stock oem fuel pump being worn out and needing a replacement,hense the reason why i ask SC for a toned down Stage 2 map to cure my issues in the 1st place!!!.

Turns out the map has been at fault , and that a "Overboost Styled" map was sent which gives my RR results a nasty spike!  :fighting:

Alex got my duff remap , so hense why also he's having issues too.

We will know shortly from alex, if his car is fixed and he's finally got a stage 2 map that works!!

Im very happy the car is now 100%, and not gonna be put in the classifieds as it was at 10am this morning :jumpmove:

Oh and incase your wondering, its a hell of quicker then before!!!!!
« Last Edit: October 18, 2011, 06:46:06 pm by Saint Steve »

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Re: JKM Rolling Road - 15th October 2011....
« Reply #381 on: October 18, 2011, 06:48:11 pm »
ok my turn for an update.............

Like Alex's car, ive also had issues with so called "feeling of Clutch slip" from my rolling road day on saturday.

My car has had lots of remap issues in the past, the last was when i tried applying a stage 2 map, my Stock fuel pump accoarding to the fuel logs, was not supplying 109.99 bar of fuel pressure , and in some cases , only managing as low as 75bar, which was making me feel in the car that it felt like it was pulling back under load.
I then approached Superchips for a resolution, and they then "played" with my remap, and sent it back, and after re-logging, the fuel pressures and my engine Timing issues appeared to have recovered and show that alls well....
Alex at this point contacted SC, and gave them my serial number of handset, and asked for my revamped map to loaded to his handset, as it appeared to be showing all was running better on mine.

At JKm on saturday how ever, my car appeared to show symptoms of Clutch slip, where Jim had alot of attempts to get my car to spin up in 4th gear, without the rev's running away with its self.
I up to this point, hadnt seen any signs of clutch slip on the road, and was abit bermused when jim said , theres a problem. He said this was the 2nd time he had seen this happen to a dsg Ed30 and the other was Hedge's old car..
I decided today to try and replicate this fault, and sure enough, on a step hill, in 2nd gear, managed to get the rev's to do the same as jim had noticed on the dyno.. which i then started thinking the worst, and thoughts of im gonna have to get shot of this car , because a clutch pack repair bill would of been close to £2000  :scared:
Took the car home, went in and loaded back the stock map, and went for another test drive and couldnt get any sort of clutch slipping symtoms, and at factory torque of around 250 lb ft, wasnt showing signs of an issue whilst in Stock mode.

So After having various chats with Alex and Hedge over the weekend, i decided to call Superchips, and ask for a completely new Remap, scrapping what i had, and see if the full fat remap at stage 2 would eat my clutch,or make the fault more prenounced as you would think it should.

I was advised by Ian (hedge) that they do a Torque limited remap, that caps the torque level at around 280 lb ft, but also makes the cars power delivery more linear in delivery.
I also decided to do a DSG reset of the clutches, to see if also poor clamping pressures were a cause. I found a link from Ross Tech from this site, and followed the instructions including a long winded test drive running all gears from 2nd 3rd,4th, 5th,6th for 5 minute spells to see if that would help.This was done with the car in Stock, before i downloaded the replacement remap from SC.I have never done this before to the car, after 40k miles, i thought it was worth a punt.

Anyway, loaded the new stage 2 map, and took out for a test drive drive :driver:!!!!! There is no slippage whatsoever!, gear changes are now smooth as silk, power delivery is super smooth right to the red line, with no Flatspot at around 3000-3500 which ive always put down to my stock oem fuel pump being worn out and needing a replacement,hense the reason why i ask SC for a toned down Stage 2 map to cure my issues in the 1st place!!!.

Turns out the map has been at fault , and that a "Overboost Styled" map was sent which gives my RR results a nasty spike!  :fighting:

Alex got my duff remap , so hense why also he's having issues too.

We will know shortly from alex, if his car is fixed and he's finally got a stage 2 map that works!!

Im very happy the car is now 100%, and not gonna be put in the classifieds as it was at 10am this morning :jumpmove:

Oh and incase your wondering, its a hell of quicker then before!!!!!

Good news  :happy2:

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Re: JKM Rolling Road - 15th October 2011....
« Reply #382 on: October 18, 2011, 06:49:46 pm »
Always satisfying when you get to the bottom of a problem and get what you was after in the first place  :congrats: wish i could of come to this RR but my car is misfiring at the moment and need to get that sorted before i attend one of these  :happy2: hopefully it'll get sorted 2moro when its booked in

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Re: JKM Rolling Road - 15th October 2011....
« Reply #383 on: October 18, 2011, 06:58:50 pm »
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That's really good news, Steve! I know it would break your heart to part with Phyllis at this stage - You and her aren't through yet!

But, after reading about the probs with SC remaps, I really do think they don't deserve their good reputation.


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Re: JKM Rolling Road - 15th October 2011....
« Reply #384 on: October 18, 2011, 08:01:18 pm »
I had a look at my June graph and my recent graph of Saturday. Interestingly they are virtually identical in shape up to 5,500 then the recent dyno shows the current, non twintercooler graph extending nicely to 6,500+

The confusing thing is if you lay over one on top of the other the axis is almost prefect but up by 15-20hp in June right from 3,000 rpm to 5,500 I think the first runs in June were too high ?

I'll post a piccy to show later  :stupid:

Here you go.... top pencil line is tracing the sat figs at 20hp up, the lower pencil line is comparing June to Saturday (original graph in red was last June)  any thoughts ?


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Re: JKM Rolling Road - 15th October 2011....
« Reply #385 on: October 18, 2011, 08:10:56 pm »
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That's really good news, Steve! I know it would break your heart to part with Phyllis at this stage - You and her aren't through yet!

But, after reading about the probs with SC remaps, I really do think they don't deserve their good reputation.

The problem isn't with Superchips maps it's with people requesting things out of the ordinary. My only fault from SC was they sent me a manual file instead of a DSG file which I spotted straight away and they rectified immediately.

Don't be so harsh to criticise Robin after all other tuning companies also have problems with their maps (Dawain and Mandy at Inters) and fail to reimburse the people that have purchased them.

If you feel you need to crusade against Superchips then I suggest you do so based upon your own interactions with them and not via proxy.  :indifferent:

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Re: JKM Rolling Road - 15th October 2011....
« Reply #386 on: October 18, 2011, 08:12:31 pm »
The moral of this story is just to but a faster car on the first place.... Maps seen to bring problems.... Regardless of which one you get.

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Re: JKM Rolling Road - 15th October 2011....
« Reply #387 on: October 18, 2011, 08:20:55 pm »
Well what I can I say...

Oh my f'ing god this map is insane!!!!!!

I'll write up the nitty gritty tomorrow but heres the bottom line...

When the map was flashed originally the flash counter didn't reset on the final ign on off sequence. As a result, I was running a corrupted oem map that was over fuelling and under boosting causing bizarre performance albeit greater than stock shockingly less than even stage 1!!!

After the rr on sat, I started investigating and did some logging to confirm the above

I promptly emailed super chips and Michael replied very quickly with a clea and consise response. We has a long discussion about the possible causes and path to resolution

In the end the conclusion was reached the map wasn't flashed by means of them checking the original map from the car

I asked for a full blown stage two which Michael willingly provided and flashed it on tonight

All I can say is wow - the car is like a different beast. I'm gonna do a dsg reset this week for optimum performance but it's a million times better than it was

Super chips have been great with this and as Steve has said quick and helpful to get a resolution.


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Re: JKM Rolling Road - 15th October 2011....
« Reply #388 on: October 18, 2011, 08:31:11 pm »
Good to hear Alex.  :happy2:

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Re: JKM Rolling Road - 15th October 2011....
« Reply #389 on: October 18, 2011, 08:38:23 pm »
Haha Good news Alex!

Are you struggling for traction now? ;-)
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