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2.0 GT TDI v 2.0 GTI
« on: April 02, 2009, 07:42:05 pm »
On the motorway yesterday evening, driving to meet with up with some mates.

Was cruising quite gently and got overtaken by this 2 litre diesel. Followed it round some corners, a bit of playful 'banter' but noticed I wasn't much faster than it and on the roads, we were both bumping up and down over the same places.

What are the differences between the GTI and GTTDI, other than engine?

Same suspension set up?
Same weight distribution?
Same gearbox?
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Re: 2.0 GT TDI v 2.0 GTI
« Reply #1 on: April 02, 2009, 07:53:52 pm »
Torque is the answer your looking for. the TDI's have bags of it especially when a remap is in the equation  :evilgrin:
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Re: 2.0 GT TDI v 2.0 GTI
« Reply #2 on: April 02, 2009, 07:56:15 pm »
Quote from: cal tdi on April 02, 2009, 07:53:52 pm
Torque is the answer your looking for. the TDI's have bags of it especially when a remap is in the equation  :evilgrin:

you gotta stir the box sometimes to compete stealth or get a remap
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Re: 2.0 GT TDI v 2.0 GTI
« Reply #3 on: April 02, 2009, 07:57:27 pm »
Quote from: wigit on April 02, 2009, 07:56:15 pm
you gotta stir the box sometimes to compete stealth or get a remap

Not sure what that means but I had to knock down a gear to overtake.
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Re: 2.0 GT TDI v 2.0 GTI
« Reply #4 on: April 02, 2009, 07:58:41 pm »
Quote from: stealthwolf on April 02, 2009, 07:57:27 pm
Quote from: wigit on April 02, 2009, 07:56:15 pm
you gotta stir the box sometimes to compete stealth or get a remap

Not sure what that means but I had to knock down a gear to overtake.

spot on stealth  :happy2:
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Re: 2.0 GT TDI v 2.0 GTI
« Reply #5 on: April 02, 2009, 08:00:07 pm »
Quote from: wigit on April 02, 2009, 07:58:41 pm
Quote from: stealthwolf on April 02, 2009, 07:57:27 pm
Quote from: wigit on April 02, 2009, 07:56:15 pm
you gotta stir the box sometimes to compete stealth or get a remap

Not sure what that means but I had to knock down a gear to overtake.

spot on stealth  :happy2:

These days I do that anyway. I've learnt that flooring it in 6th to overtake places a lot of stress on the clutch.
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Re: 2.0 GT TDI v 2.0 GTI
« Reply #6 on: April 02, 2009, 08:03:39 pm »
I owned a mk5 140 TDI before I got the GTI (with a Polo GTI in between!) and it definately rides better than the GTI but doesn't handle noticably worse, maybe on a race track but I'm not in to the sort of thing anymore.
They do go very well with a re-map, and I would imagine the 170 goes very very well with a remap when the DPF lets you.  :happy2:

GTI has a much nicer interior though so you can stay smug!  :laugh:
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Re: 2.0 GT TDI v 2.0 GTI
« Reply #7 on: April 02, 2009, 08:39:59 pm »
my old 140 gt tdi never had a problem keeping up with my mates octy 2 vrs.
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Re: 2.0 GT TDI v 2.0 GTI
« Reply #8 on: April 02, 2009, 09:34:47 pm »
SWMBO has a 2.0TDI 140 Jetta and although quick is no where near GTI quick in standard form. And as for an ED30, no comparison mate, and as for a re-mapped ED30  :grin: :grin:  :evilgrin:
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Re: 2.0 GT TDI v 2.0 GTI
« Reply #9 on: April 02, 2009, 10:37:16 pm »
GT Sport 170 would be a good match for a standard GTI in some situations with the extra talks (more gear changes mind  :wink:)
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Re: 2.0 GT TDI v 2.0 GTI
« Reply #10 on: April 02, 2009, 10:41:44 pm »
Yeah definitely. I'm pretty sure thats why the new GTD is going to be kept at around 170bhp.
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Re: 2.0 GT TDI v 2.0 GTI
« Reply #11 on: April 02, 2009, 10:58:28 pm »
Quote from: neg on April 02, 2009, 10:37:16 pm
GT Sport 170 would be a good match for a standard GTI in some situations with the extra talks (more gear changes mind  :wink:)

I've driven a 170PS GT Sport TDi and the GTi.

To be honest, around town I couldnt tell the difference in acceleration and general power etc. Both cars seemed to burn away from roundabouts and junctions with ease. The diesel tended to wheel spin out of roundabouts - low down the rev range which I imagine was when the full force of the torque kicked in. But not a lot seemed to happen higher up the rev range. The diesel also felt a lot heavier on the front end. So much so that the steering felt like it was power-steered more to help combat the extra weight. In general it felt as if their was less response from the steering.

The GTi on the other hand would keep on pulling through the range and not give in like the diesel did. It was also just generally more fun to chuck into corners.

On a motorway though, I could see how the diesel would potentially surpise a GTi owner. But once you stirred the pudding (or in the case of us DSG folk - just smack the pedal to the floor) I'm sure the GTi would come out on top. Stock for stock ofcourse.
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Re: 2.0 GT TDI v 2.0 GTI
« Reply #12 on: April 02, 2009, 11:01:05 pm »
Quote from: matt a on April 02, 2009, 10:41:44 pm
Yeah definitely. I'm pretty sure thats why the new GTD is going to be kept at around 170bhp.

I believe it's also due to it having trouble putting the torque down. The 170PS GT Sport is bad as it is. Ask for one as a loan car next time your in for a service.

EDIT: I've just checked on parkers.co.uk and the 170PS GT Sport TDi runs 258lb/ft of torque. Same as an S3.
« Last Edit: April 02, 2009, 11:08:15 pm by pazz »
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Re: 2.0 GT TDI v 2.0 GTI
« Reply #13 on: April 03, 2009, 12:04:13 am »
i most admit i would of said its got to be down to the torque  :smiley:

and i really agree with the round town driving and that the power does come in a big shovel full, low down  :driver:
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Re: 2.0 GT TDI v 2.0 GTI
« Reply #14 on: April 03, 2009, 03:52:16 pm »
With a remap i'm putting out 366 lb/ft in the GT 170. From 40mph the GTI finds it next to impossible to keep up. Good fun though  :laugh:
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