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ED30 and Audi S3
« on: October 01, 2011, 10:56:09 pm »
Are they the same engine?  :confused:
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Re: ED30 and Audi S3
« Reply #1 on: October 01, 2011, 10:58:40 pm »
not quite. the S3 has got some strengthened internals and maybe different injectors?

but if you map them both, you'll get the same power output. at the end of the day it's the same block and same turbo.
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Re: ED30 and Audi S3
« Reply #2 on: October 01, 2011, 11:05:03 pm »
The S3 has different cams vs the ed30. Apart from that the engines are almost identical.
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Re: ED30 and Audi S3
« Reply #3 on: October 02, 2011, 12:22:53 am »
Ok then, if that's the case and the Cupra K1 also has the same engine, then why is it that the Cupra gets an extra 20 to 30 BHP with the same mods (stage 2+)?
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Re: ED30 and Audi S3
« Reply #4 on: October 02, 2011, 12:55:25 am »
i don't think it does?
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Re: ED30 and Audi S3
« Reply #5 on: October 02, 2011, 12:58:10 am »
Quote from: bacillus on October 01, 2011, 11:05:03 pm
The S3 has different cams vs the ed30. Apart from that the engines are almost identical.

Don't think they do seen both engines in bits and pretty sure they are 100% the same
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Re: ED30 and Audi S3
« Reply #6 on: October 02, 2011, 03:02:10 am »
Yeah, but most stage 2+ K1's have 370-380bhp and the ED30's only get around 340-350?
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Re: ED30 and Audi S3
« Reply #7 on: October 02, 2011, 06:00:40 am »
Quote from: Jussa on October 02, 2011, 03:02:10 am
Yeah, but most stage 2+ K1's have 370-380bhp and the ED30's only get around 340-350?


It's called Dyno Lottery!

I've seen 1 ED30 make 370+ on a certain Dyno.

Have u seen them run on same day, same dyno, same mods, map, settings etc? If not then there will always be differences!

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Re: ED30 and Audi S3
« Reply #8 on: October 02, 2011, 07:08:44 am »
Quote from: MAT ED30 on October 02, 2011, 12:58:10 am
Quote from: bacillus on October 01, 2011, 11:05:03 pm
The S3 has different cams vs the ed30. Apart from that the engines are almost identical.

Don't think they do seen both engines in bits and pretty sure they are 100% the same

fairly sure the S3  has a different inlet cam.

Just looked at Etka and the Ex cam is the same part number as Ed30.  Inlet cam on S3 is different part number.

Same valves though.



^^^^^  101 H is Audi inlet cam p/no for the 195Kw engine - 195 Kw is 265 Horses
« Last Edit: October 02, 2011, 07:33:24 am by QD »
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Re: ED30 and Audi S3
« Reply #9 on: October 02, 2011, 07:23:42 am »

Wonder where the difference lies? I know there are type A & B cam shafts?
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Re: ED30 and Audi S3
« Reply #10 on: October 02, 2011, 07:30:11 am »
Think hurdy made nearly 400bhp once on superchips rollers  :signLOL:  :signLOL: says it all
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Re: ED30 and Audi S3
« Reply #11 on: October 02, 2011, 07:38:14 am »
Quote from: MAT ED30 on October 02, 2011, 07:30:11 am
Think hurdy made nearly 400bhp once on superchips rollers  :signLOL:  :signLOL: says it all

Must have been the Supersuperspuds map?  I tried a SS map once and despite their excellent C'service it was poor, lasted all of 4 days on the car.
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Re: ED30 and Audi S3
« Reply #12 on: October 02, 2011, 08:18:02 am »
Quote from: Tfsi_Mike on October 02, 2011, 07:23:42 am

Wonder where the difference lies? I know there are type A & B cam shafts?
According to one member in the US forum, there is slight difference in lift and timing.
Arin of APR has changed his cams for the S3 ones and reported little butt dyno difference.
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Re: ED30 and Audi S3
« Reply #13 on: October 02, 2011, 08:19:46 am »
Doesn't have a bigger intercooler or oil cooler?
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Re: ED30 and Audi S3
« Reply #14 on: October 02, 2011, 08:31:15 am »
Quote from: bacillus on October 02, 2011, 08:18:02 am
Quote from: Tfsi_Mike on October 02, 2011, 07:23:42 am

Wonder where the difference lies? I know there are type A & B cam shafts?
According to one member in the US forum, there is slight difference in lift and timing.
Arin of APR has changed his cams for the S3 ones and reported little butt dyno difference.

Was he Ed30 or Cupra?   :happy2:
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