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K03 - 3" downpipe & revo stage2 done - Review inside.
« on: April 03, 2009, 10:31:49 am »
I had the pleasure of having a 3” Milltek downpipe mated onto my existing non-resonated cat-back and Revo Stage2 put on my car on Monday, now it has settled in, I thought I’d share my views.

The work, as usual was expertly done by Votex in Congleton, Cheshire. A superb VAG specialist and Revo dealer, who look after all my cars. As they run several race & track cars themselves (having a motorsport background) and as I do so many track days, we’d been talking about the next step for improving my car and looking into achieving what I wanted, which was faster spool up and quicker/better power delivery. The downpipe and stage2 were the ideal answer.

I’ve already fully uprated my suspension and brakes, so power was the last piece of the puzzle.

So, the meaty bit…

I went to collect the car from Mike. He’d had it all day, as along with the DP fitting, he wanted to ensure everything was running perfectly, it was given a full going over with his expert eye and VAG-COM. A full scan and also taken out for a drive to do some data logging on several functions like the MAF, boost pressure etc. the usual suspects that can go a bit faulty without throwing a code and then become more apparent once mapped. Given a clean bill of health, stage 2 was applied with the ‘middle of the road’ for my mods 6/9/6 boost/fuel/timing settings via the SPS switch.

Ever the understated, he just said “I think you’ll be pleased with that” and let me on my way. Driving home was a good test of its normal workload, crawling through traffic in town and cruising for 8 miles down B-roads… I made my way home without fuss in ‘D’, smooth as silk and a slight improvement on the MPG – extra torque and clever DSG knowing the most economical gear to be in = less revving, using up fuel. The downpipe providing a touch more of a bass note, but certainly not intrusive. Happy so far.

Later that evening, time for a run out, time to hit the back roads. I wanted the car to deliver on corner exit, those all important 2nd & 3rd gear ones we use on the track and in the real world. Low gear punch is key, we don’t have Autobahns, top speed is of no use or interest to me…. ****! Does it deliver!!

The car is savage; it’s as mad as a pensioner’s terrier and just wants to go. It spools nigh on instantly, surging forward with seemingly linear power and torque in copious amounts, right through to the red line, where that all important DSG gear-change comes in. RAPID. no lag, no jerk, no messing about, you click the paddle up or down and its got it. I’d heard in the early days of mapping DSGs there was some issues with the way maps were affecting the change – no evidence of it here, its factory, only better. I’d thought it’d feel a bit out of breath towards the 2/3 of the range and I’d be looking at uprated fuel pumps.. I don’t know if I’ll even bother now.

The software, even in generic stage2 format is very, very refined. You can tell by the way the car delivers power that a lot of time and testing has gone into it. The main thing is no stupid big wave of torque in one lump, sure it makes the car feel faster, but it’s useless for getting power down when you need it in the lower gears. This was my only concern and I had planned on maybe getting a tweak done to tailor it to my requirements, again, no need to bother.

In conclusion, upgrading to stage2 whilst not giving the same increase in figures over stock like stage1 does, it gives a quantum leap in terms of the way it delivers that power. It could only be a handful or extra ponies and torques for all I care, it isn't, it's loads.... The car is transformed, free, unrestricted… dare I say a little bit scary?

I might get it dyno'd at some point, but I'm just too busy enjoying it to be bothered about figures.. it was 245/280 last time out, all I know is its much more.

So, read that again, but this time do it whilst humming the theme tune from Rocky, get yourself a DP and Revo stage2 that car…

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« Last Edit: April 06, 2009, 05:40:24 pm by tony_danza »
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Re: K03 - 3" downpipe & revo stage2 done - Review inside.
« Reply #1 on: April 03, 2009, 10:54:16 am »
Nice review.  :happy2:

Why did you go for the 3" DP as I'm pretty sure Milltek normally supplies a 2.75" one for the standard K03 GTi.
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Re: K03 - 3" downpipe & revo stage2 done - Review inside.
« Reply #2 on: April 03, 2009, 11:05:58 am »
Mike said he was impressed with Top Cat's car, he's got a 3" DP, albiet a Blueflame one. So I went down the same route.
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Re: K03 - 3" downpipe & revo stage2 done - Review inside.
« Reply #3 on: April 03, 2009, 11:18:34 am »
I hate you MR Danza, I have been quite happy pootiling along with my map and Zorst. and pot of tea light in my dash  :rolleye:
I need brakes before this mod you foooooker.  :signLOL:

Great little write up.  :party:  :drinking:

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Re: K03 - 3" downpipe & revo stage2 done - Review inside.
« Reply #4 on: April 03, 2009, 11:20:40 am »
great write up although im now wanting to spend yet more money on the car......... :fighting: :fighting:

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Re: K03 - 3" downpipe & revo stage2 done - Review inside.
« Reply #5 on: April 03, 2009, 11:30:01 am »
Good write-up.

I went straight into Revo stage 2 with the APR 3" TBE. However, my power delivery is not the same as you describe...mine comes in one huge lump very early in the rev range, and after 5K the car is really really breathless! Hence why I have severe traction issues even in the dry  :grin: :grin: :grin:

My Revo settings are the same as yours also.

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Re: K03 - 3" downpipe & revo stage2 done - Review inside.
« Reply #6 on: April 03, 2009, 12:01:16 pm »
Hmmm - that is weird, we need TC to stage2 his for a better idea, but I'd be interested to hear his thoughts on mid-top end with his DP and Revo version??

« Last Edit: April 03, 2009, 12:15:55 pm by tony_danza »
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Re: K03 - 3" downpipe & revo stage2 done - Review inside.
« Reply #7 on: April 03, 2009, 12:20:44 pm »
I have found mine quite difficult to find the correct pedal feel or touch, sometimes in second i only have to give the loud pedal about quarter of a press and it just connects perfect, it is that smooth and fast it feels like a electric car apart from the sound. this happens when i am not meaning to push on just meaning to give it a bit of beans.  :chicken:
Other times if i am in the mood i can try and go for it and the TC light comes on everywhere in second and third.  :confused:
Basically i just need to learn to drive a bit better. I think its a bit like V-tec at the pod, he can consistently get better times, this to me means he can feel all the moving parts around him much more than your average Joe and is able to adjust accordingly.
But anyway i digress. I got the Zorst about a week before the map, and i know people say it's down to the placebo effect, but i am 100% sure that there was a lot more mid range grunt from about 1800  rpm to 4000 then when the map was installed it was there right throughout the range. It maybe dies off a bit above 5000 RPM but only in 4th and 5th and to be honest if you look at the speed counter when your at 5000 revs in fourth then you will realize, that unless your on a track somewhere that would not be needed any hows.
I am in a waffling mood today. Sorry guys.  :ashamed:  :fighting2:

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Re: K03 - 3" downpipe & revo stage2 done - Review inside.
« Reply #8 on: April 03, 2009, 12:32:09 pm »
Maybe it's my car, maybe I've tuned my foot differently, coming from a near 200bhp diesel with a wall of torque and no rev range??

Ask Revo to change the throttle mapping, easily done.
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Re: K03 - 3" downpipe & revo stage2 done - Review inside.
« Reply #9 on: April 03, 2009, 12:35:47 pm »
Maybe it's my car, maybe I've tuned my foot differently, coming from a near 200bhp diesel with a wall of torque and no rev range??

Ask Revo to change the throttle mapping, easily done.

I may look into this actually  :smiley: :smiley:
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Re: K03 - 3" downpipe & revo stage2 done - Review inside.
« Reply #10 on: April 03, 2009, 12:45:26 pm »
kept that map quiet TC  :happy2:  :driver:
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Re: K03 - 3" downpipe & revo stage2 done - Review inside.
« Reply #11 on: April 03, 2009, 04:24:05 pm »
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I'm also full Milltek TBE Non-Res with Revo2 on K03 and feel no need for an aftermarket fuel pump. I think my downpipe is 2.75 though - Not sure because my exhaust components do occasionally get changed by Milltek - Something new coming in the next few weeks  :wink:

Are you running a K03 or K04 car, 'Tony'?

The power delivery is very smooth all the way through with initial grunt at a bit under 2k revs when the turbo kicks in, but I hardly ever get wheelspin and if the TC light does flicker it's instantly pounced on by the Quaife, though right foot training plays a part.


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Re: K03 - 3" downpipe & revo stage2 done - Review inside.
« Reply #12 on: April 03, 2009, 04:34:38 pm »
K03, I've got the 'Diet' GTI.... they're better than K04's anyways  :P
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Re: K03 - 3" downpipe & revo stage2 done - Review inside.
« Reply #13 on: April 05, 2009, 05:39:29 pm »
Sounds great mate.

Just wanted to add praise for Votex in Congleton.  I have to drive 50 miles to get there but they are absolutely brilliant, the only place i feel comfortable with leaving my car.  They are experts who absolutely love VAG cars, and as a bonus are significantly cheaper than VW prices.  My 40k, 4 years service is over £100 cheaper there and I'll be there in a couple of weeks to happily spend with them:happy2:

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Re: K03 - 3" downpipe & revo stage2 done - Review inside.
« Reply #14 on: April 05, 2009, 09:04:23 pm »
 I've got a 2.75 TB and Revo st 2 (K03) and also find my delivery pretty smooth. Definitely smoother than stage 1.
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