Motech mapped DSG 'hesitation' after gear change - FIXED. R-TECH Reign supreme

[Hedge]

Just found this old thread...

http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,7359.0.html

same issue and it was down to a manual map rather than DSG.

Between the car being mapped at revo and then put back to 'standard' and then Motech mapping it... I wonder if things have got mixed up.

Surely its pretty easy to see if one is manual and one is DSG though?

You would know if they did as the car is undriveable with the wrong map on as supplied by Supperchips.

It's not because I drove mine like it for a month  .it was driveable but delay on change up was pants like the O.P is suffering.

I seem to remember you saying that as you'd never driven a mapped car you thought that was how it was supposed to be.

That's correct.. My point was that u said the car would be undriveable.

Well mine was. Mine was also stage 2.

This "Hesitation" is due to DSG box torque limiters is it not?, once DSG map done it goes away?

Not for the Supperchips cars. Wrong map supplied.

[jedi-knight83]

This "Hesitation" is due to DSG box torque limiters is it not?, once DSG map done it goes away?

but i dont want a dsg map and tbh dont feel I should need one for a stage 1 map to function properly.

[R-tech-Nick]

This "Hesitation" is due to DSG box torque limiters is it not?, once DSG map done it goes away?

but i dont want a dsg map and tbh dont feel I should need one for a stage 1 map to function properly.

It seems like your getting nowhere fast with this one.

Pop it up to me I will take a look for you £FOC, I have all the stock map revisions read from 6MT and DSG cars, I have a data base of maps which are known to me to be working 100% with the DSG.  Plus I can also adjust the DSG torque limiter if needed or even use a later stock dsg map.

When tuning the 6MT TFSI map I adjust the load axis scaling to give me better scope on the engine ecu torque structure, but if I apply the same mapping style to the DGS car I tend to get minor torque relation issues between the engine and dsg ecu shich can cause shift delay or torque limiting via the dsg.
 
 But on the other hand the engine load axis scaling could be used to fool the dsg ecu  to think the  engine is at a lower torque output which will allow for more torque to the wheels.

Plus there are some early engine map and dsg map versions which when tuned dont work too well together.

[Saintsteve]

Just found this old thread...

http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,7359.0.html

same issue and it was down to a manual map rather than DSG.

Between the car being mapped at revo and then put back to 'standard' and then Motech mapping it... I wonder if things have got mixed up.

Surely its pretty easy to see if one is manual and one is DSG though?

You would know if they did as the car is undriveable with the wrong map on as supplied by Supperchips.

It's not because I drove mine like it for a month  .it was driveable but delay on change up was pants like the O.P is suffering.

I seem to remember you saying that as you'd never driven a mapped car you thought that was how it was supposed to be.

That's correct.. My point was that u said the car would be undriveable.

Well mine was. Mine was also stage 2.

This "Hesitation" is due to DSG box torque limiters is it not?, once DSG map done it goes away?

Not for the Supperchips cars. Wrong map supplied.

Mine was stage 1 with the issue. Not this problem on stage 2. 

[jedi-knight83]

This "Hesitation" is due to DSG box torque limiters is it not?, once DSG map done it goes away?

but i dont want a dsg map and tbh dont feel I should need one for a stage 1 map to function properly.

It seems like your getting nowhere fast with this one.

Pop it up to me I will take a look for you £FOC, I have all the stock map revisions read from 6MT and DSG cars, I have a data base of maps which are known to me to be working 100% with the DSG.  Plus I can also adjust the DSG torque limiter if needed or even use a later stock dsg map.

When tuning the 6MT TFSI map I adjust the load axis scaling to give me better scope on the engine ecu torque structure, but if I apply the same mapping style to the DGS car I tend to get minor torque relation issues between the engine and dsg ecu shich can cause shift delay or torque limiting via the dsg.
 
 But on the other hand the engine load axis scaling could be used to fool the dsg ecu  to think the  engine is at a lower torque output which will allow for more torque to the wheels.

Plus there are some early engine map and dsg map versions which when tuned dont work too well together.

Thank you. That is a mighty fine offer. I would be happy to pay for RR time and diagnostics etc... infact someone recommended I bring it to you anyway.

End of the day I dont mind paying for the right solution.. I just didn't want to be throwing money at VW to put a stock map on it and then get it tunned again only to find it hasn't solved anything.

I'll give you a call tomorrow. 

[alackofspeed]

I had a Shark map on my K03 car, which dwelled horribly on an upchange. I got nowhere with a resolution of that map, so took the hit and went for a straightforward local option and now run Revo software. Not a hint of a problem with that now on the car.

From logging the MAF the revo map appears to make much more power, especially in the mid-range. I'm not saying Revo is the be all and end all, just that in my case the problem was clearly demonstrated to be the Shark software.

[PDT]

Its concerning that so many tuned cars need to be re-tuned and fixed by other tuners, but sadly this is where the industry is at the moment. Anyone with a laptop and a disc full of files can call themselfes a tuner. 

Needs some sort of regulation I think.

[jedi-knight83]

This "Hesitation" is due to DSG box torque limiters is it not?, once DSG map done it goes away?

but i dont want a dsg map and tbh dont feel I should need one for a stage 1 map to function properly.

It seems like your getting nowhere fast with this one.

Pop it up to me I will take a look for you £FOC, I have all the stock map revisions read from 6MT and DSG cars, I have a data base of maps which are known to me to be working 100% with the DSG.  Plus I can also adjust the DSG torque limiter if needed or even use a later stock dsg map.

When tuning the 6MT TFSI map I adjust the load axis scaling to give me better scope on the engine ecu torque structure, but if I apply the same mapping style to the DGS car I tend to get minor torque relation issues between the engine and dsg ecu shich can cause shift delay or torque limiting via the dsg.
  
 But on the other hand the engine load axis scaling could be used to fool the dsg ecu  to think the  engine is at a lower torque output which will allow for more torque to the wheels.

Plus there are some early engine map and dsg map versions which when tuned dont work too well together.

Booked in with R-Tech  

[JMP]

I have torque reduction on from 2500rpm to 6000rpm atleast in 2nd and 3rd gears :) gear changes up have a nice lag to them too.

[tony_danza]

Why didn't you just have the REVO map turned back on? I bet it'd have cost you nothing at most places, maybe an hours labour at a few.

Oh, and then got your money back of the clowns who have messed you about to the point where you're god knows how many pages into a thread and having to go to a 3rd tuner for help.

[RedRobin]

Its concerning that so many tuned cars need to be re-tuned and fixed by other tuners, but sadly this is where the industry is at the moment. Anyone with a laptop and a disc full of files can call themselfes a tuner.  

Needs some sort of regulation I think.

....I couldn't agree more. Too many people are solely price led and buy cheap and then need to buy twice  

But who would be the regularity body be? An association of established and reputable tuners? And who would test the standards required? - Unfortunately it doesn't look at all easy.

[heavyd]

Its concerning that so many tuned cars need to be re-tuned and fixed by other tuners, but sadly this is where the industry is at the moment. Anyone with a laptop and a disc full of files can call themselfes a tuner. 

Needs some sort of regulation I think.

Thats great news! I've got a laptop and a disc full of tuning files. I can call myself a tuner now
I've got no idea how to load them onto a car, and i wouldnt even try anway
I guess that doesnt stop most people though!

[jedi-knight83]

Why didn't you just have the REVO map turned back on? I bet it'd have cost you nothing at most places, maybe an hours labour at a few.

Oh, and then got your money back of the clowns who have messed you about to the point where you're god knows how many pages into a thread and having to go to a 3rd tuner for help.

I didnt know it was an option to 'just get the revo map turned on' again. And having had revo on my S3 and it being very agressive, and having been recommended Motech by a couple of friends who had good experiences I spoke to him and he said he could do a smoother map.

The Motech maps are actually written by Richard Washbrook (ex revo and APR apparently) so was confident it wasnt just a 'kid with a laptop' that was going to mess with the car.

[jedi-knight83]

Its concerning that so many tuned cars need to be re-tuned and fixed by other tuners, but sadly this is where the industry is at the moment. Anyone with a laptop and a disc full of files can call themselfes a tuner.  

Needs some sort of regulation I think.

....I couldn't agree more. Too many people are solely price led and buy cheap and then need to buy twice  

But who would be the regularity body be? An association of established and reputable tuners? And who would test the standards required? - Unfortunately it doesn't look at all easy.

I dont want this to turn into a slagging match against any tuners. Cost is irrelevant and from what I understand Motech are similarly priced to R-Tech anyway so Its not that I went there because they were cheap. I chose them after a couple of good recommendations and after they had also done my van and my dads car and after hearing who actually wrote the maps.

I've tried not to slag them off at all through this thread and indeed praised them for spending half a day with the car trying different maps.

This thread wasn't a plee for charity and although R-Techs offer is extremely kind I still offered to pay for any work done. Like I've said, I dont mind paying but dont want to be throwing money away getting VW to flash it to standard only to have the same issue when its remapped again so the fact R-Tech seem confident they can solve it is of great interest to me.

Also, the thread has gone on seems to be in part to the fact that other people have experienced similar issues so its not just me whining on and on until someone helps. I have been proactive and have had various parts changed on the car in an effort to fix the issue... but when none of those things work... most peoples next move is to jump back on the forums as 9/10 there is someone out there who has already experienced the issue.

[PDT]

Big  to Rtech for offering to sort the issue, lets hope its something simple. Theres nothing worse than an annoying problem on a car that you have to drive everyday.