Stage 3 super chipped Ed30 Rolling roaded!

[stealthwolf]

+1. Do tell.

[Janner_Sy]

BecAuse you make more power everywhere else....

[rich83]

Problem is... Who do you believe?

My stock car made 232bhp on JKMs. Now... How do we know that even that is an accurate result?? People like to see JKM as accurate but how do we know?

[Hedge]

I believe what I see on the day with my very own eyes regarding Rolling Roads, there are too many outside factors that can affect the results.

Ideally they should only be used to compare 2 cards on the same day with the same atmospheric conditions and/or between different levels of modification on the same car.

Actually what do I know, I'm off to join the Flat Earth society. 

[R-tech-Nick]

I tend to do maf logs and boost logs when running cars on a dyno to back up the results, 99% of the time they are bang on.


90% of stock TFSI I have ran have made around 8-10bhp more.. I used to worry a little until I started to do VCDS logs with every power run and was seeing the air flow work out to the same as the dyno reading and the actual load a little higher than the requested load.

IMO the issues with the DD rolling road is that the fly wheel hp reading is only an "estimated " reading based the wheel hp readings with a "fixed" % for transmission lossed added to make the fly wheel power.... How can this be right?  Where do DD get this % from? and  I dont think I have ever ran two Mk5 TFSIs which have had the exact same transmission losses?   A ruel of thumb is around 12% but this can vary to 17-18%
The DD is one of the best dynos I have ever used for mapping and working from wheel hp, but power runs and fly wheel power its just a lottery like every dyno.


Some rolling roads worth out the actual losses during the power runs coast down.

[jamma]

Waiting for the responses now!! Either way it keeps up with an E90 M3!

    thats the funniest thing I have ever heard. What makes you think that ?  M3 E46 maybe , not an E90 though

[Saint Steve]

^^^^
It's alot closer then you think jamma

If you do your power to weigh ratio, a stage 2+ or stage 3 will give more then a stock E92...

Even a stage 2 is about level in turn of speed.. ed30 I mean ..

[jamma]

^^^^
It's alot closer then you think jamma

If you do your power to weigh ratio, a stage 2+ or stage 3 will give more then a stock E92...

Even a stage 2 is about level in turn of speed.. ed30 I mean ..

Yeah but a stock e92 M3 is around 440 bhp isnt it?   

[stealthwolf]

Straight bhp isn't everything.

A Lotus Exige S has 220 bhp. An ED30 has 230bhp. Are you going to tell me the ED30 is faster?

bhp/wt of exige s is 220/0.913 = 240bhp/tonne
bph/wt pf 5dr ED30 man is 230/1357 = 169bhp/tonne

[Top Cat]

Straight bhp isn't everything.

A Lotus Exige S has 220 bhp. An ED30 has 230bhp. Are you going to tell me the ED30 is faster?

bhp/wt of exige s is 220/0.913 = 240bhp/tonne
bph/wt pf 5dr ED30 man is 230/1357 = 169bhp/tonne

But again adding a twist Stealth, once you reach 80 mile an hour, the ED 30 would start sailing past the Exige, also if you put a passenger in, it would be lucky to beat a stock GTI.
There is a saying; Their is no replacement for displacement This i know to be true as the Exige figures dont really stand up in normal life. 

[jamma]

Straight bhp isn't everything.

A Lotus Exige S has 220 bhp. An ED30 has 230bhp. Are you going to tell me the ED30 is faster?

bhp/wt of exige s is 220/0.913 = 240bhp/tonne
bph/wt pf 5dr ED30 man is 230/1357 = 169bhp/tonne

Not at all it,  weighs next to nothing and it would rape an ed30 . My mate has one 

[stealthwolf]

But again adding a twist Stealth, once you reach 80 mile an hour, the ED 30 would start sailing past the Exige, also if you put a passenger in, it would be lucky to beat a stock GTI.
There is a saying; Their is no replacement for displacement This i know to be true as the Exige figures dont really stand up in normal life. 

I wish I had a Lotus so I could compare! 

[Top Cat]

Its just the figures can be misleading, dont get me wrong mine almost pulls a wheely of the line, but if you put a passenger in a 2+ eddie you might not notice the extra weight for me it is like turning a stage 2 map off. 

[stealthwolf]

I can understand the difference of a passenger in a Lotus - it's such a light car that an extra 70-80kg will make a huge difference.

[Hedge]

If I was your passenger TC you wouldn't even get it off the line.