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Re: Dyno run today
« Reply #15 on: November 04, 2011, 10:00:07 pm »
No I still think it lets the box change up at the redline.

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Re: Dyno run today
« Reply #16 on: November 04, 2011, 10:13:14 pm »
Yup it does. I tried on a logging run and it shifted up at about 6500rpm (can't remember exactly)

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Re: Dyno run today
« Reply #17 on: November 05, 2011, 03:19:49 pm »
I've been on a few dynos now with my dsg :stupid:
Bet it was low down the rev range where it didn't meet requested boost, quite normal as the turbo hasnt spooled properly. If its the old fashioned coast down dyno he might have troubles getting the transmission losses.
Either way you should be able to get an idea of power. My superchips stage 3 only managed 314bhp on a dyno dynamics rolling road, but managed 320bhp on a dastek coast down rolling road with a stage 1 remap :rolleye:

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Re: Dyno run today
« Reply #18 on: November 05, 2011, 03:23:41 pm »
Yup it does. I tried on a logging run and it shifted up at about 6500rpm (can't remember exactly)

Were you in manual mode?
Without traction power is nothing!

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Re: Dyno run today
« Reply #19 on: November 05, 2011, 03:40:36 pm »
Makes no difference bacillus, it will still shift by itself at that rpm unless you have dsg software. By keeping the paddle pressed it only prevents it shifting down a gear

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Re: Dyno run today
« Reply #20 on: November 05, 2011, 04:05:07 pm »
I've been told that the RRds that use the rundown to calculate trans. losses are more accurate.

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Re: Dyno run today
« Reply #21 on: November 05, 2011, 04:58:08 pm »
They might be with manuals? The dastek one that I used is well known for putting smiles on faces anyway. Dsg boxes aren't supposed to be coasted in neutral anyway. Also if a dsg runs on  the dastek ones, it totally cocks up readings for any manual cars run straight after????
The bapro coast down dyno that shark has got is supposed to be accurate.
This topic was dsg boxes on dynos, just trying to figure out why he had problems

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Re: Dyno run today
« Reply #22 on: November 05, 2011, 05:10:41 pm »
I've been told that the RRds that use the rundown to calculate trans. losses are more accurate.


The tuning industry thinks otherwise (depending on dyno make/model) as the coastdown method doesnt actually measure a transmission loss. Some measure the loss as a percentage and applies this to guess at a flywheel power.

Take a car with 100hp at the wheels. Dyno measures a loss of 20hp during coastdown and applies this as a percentage so 20%, 120hp at flywheel. Add a turbo and nitrous and it makes 200hp at the wheels and apply the same 20% coastdown losses = 40hp to be added. Thats 20hp for free. Modern coastdown dynos use other factors but older ones use the above as a measurement factor.

Then look at what coastdowns measure, its not actually a transmission loss. The coastdown is often done in neutral, and sometimes in gear, either way its measuring a loss when the engine has no load on it, power must be tested while the engibe is under load, so this also applies to the losses. it cant measure losses through the tyres as during coastdown as the tyres are not having any force applied to them as they do under load during the run.

The day that Europe falls in line with Australia and the USA and uses wheel power will be the end of the dyno lottery.

I have had a car (380hp) on our dyno that has been on 5-6 other dynos and the actual wheel power has been within 10hp on all, and within 1 hp on another dyno dynamics. The estimated flywheel power has been +/- 15hp on other dynos and it was +56hp on the Dastek.  


When comparing power figures, whp is the most accurate method.  

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Re: Dyno run today
« Reply #23 on: November 05, 2011, 05:13:02 pm »
If anyone has problems with dsg during a dybo run just disconnect a rear ABS sensor, unplug the abs module under the bonnet or use vagcom, go into ABS measuring blocks or output tests and this helps run them properly.


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Re: Dyno run today
« Reply #24 on: November 05, 2011, 05:33:25 pm »
Yup it does. I tried on a logging run and it shifted up at about 6500rpm (can't remember exactly)

Were you in manual mode?

As has been said it doesn't matter.