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Re: ECS Dogbone Mount Insert
« Reply #75 on: April 08, 2009, 07:34:26 pm »
Quote from: tony_danza on April 08, 2009, 07:28:29 pm
Quote from: john_o on April 08, 2009, 06:58:37 pm
well i agree it hasnt held up well
BUT
the important 'finger' bits that fill in the voids on the OE mount look to be OK and therefore functioning ok ?

Agreed, but at only 6 months old, that's pretty bad. The disc holds the fingers and as soon as that's gone, the fingers will possibly come out of their void positions?

I'd be interested in seeing some older, higher mileage ones.

I agree its not good,

mine came with a large metal washer that would hold it all in place,       I think
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Re: ECS Dogbone Mount Insert
« Reply #76 on: April 08, 2009, 07:39:24 pm »
i have a neuspeed one!!! erm, i hope they are made differently!
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Re: ECS Dogbone Mount Insert
« Reply #77 on: April 08, 2009, 08:30:02 pm »
Presumably to check the state of the insert you need to undo the stretch bolt - in which case you'll need a new one.

What comes to mind is that how would you tell if the insert was f*cked?
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Re: ECS Dogbone Mount Insert
« Reply #78 on: April 08, 2009, 08:33:37 pm »
neuspeed tell you to use the original one, which i did, so dont see the problem with taking it out and putting it back. its only a bolt??
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Re: ECS Dogbone Mount Insert
« Reply #79 on: April 08, 2009, 08:40:39 pm »
Nope...it's a tension/stretch bolt.  The bolt needs to be tightened to a specific torque setting...it's also designed to stretch and lock into place when you tighten it. 

Presumably, it also allows a bit more flex than a normal bolt - when the engine moves.

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Re: ECS Dogbone Mount Insert
« Reply #80 on: April 08, 2009, 08:43:29 pm »
Quote from: WhiteGTI on April 08, 2009, 07:32:40 pm
:surprised: That's not good!! I wonder if that shows the weaknesses in the ECS, or the extensive amount of movement between the transmission mount and the subframe....

Who knows?

Mine's the ECS one, but I think we need to look into this a bit deeper to see what is the cause? Do they all suffer because of the mount, or does one certain brand fail due to poor compound/quality/design?

A stretch bolt surely can't cost that much to find out the state of our mounts?
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Re: ECS Dogbone Mount Insert
« Reply #81 on: April 08, 2009, 08:43:49 pm »
i find it hard to believe it stretchs and, if it does "lock" only once..
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Re: ECS Dogbone Mount Insert
« Reply #82 on: April 08, 2009, 08:46:44 pm »
I feel like a mushroom - kept in the dark and fed bullsh*t! That was what I was told...
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Re: ECS Dogbone Mount Insert
« Reply #83 on: April 08, 2009, 08:48:35 pm »
well i dont know the answer, just find it hard to believe.. so u could be right..  :happy2:
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Re: ECS Dogbone Mount Insert
« Reply #84 on: April 08, 2009, 09:01:15 pm »
Quote from: SteveS on April 08, 2009, 08:43:49 pm
i find it hard to believe it stretchs and, if it does "lock" only once..

The stretch bolt? It's one use only. Every time you torque up a bolt there's movement between the threads as it locks. Failure to replace could result in shear failure.
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Re: ECS Dogbone Mount Insert
« Reply #85 on: April 08, 2009, 09:03:48 pm »
well cant explain why neuspeed dont tell you to replace it if HAS to be?
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Re: ECS Dogbone Mount Insert
« Reply #86 on: April 08, 2009, 09:14:24 pm »
*shrug*

I can't say why Neuspeed don't tell you to replace or include a replacement. ECS, VF, and BSH do.
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Re: ECS Dogbone Mount Insert
« Reply #87 on: April 08, 2009, 09:21:26 pm »
yeah , Gaz your right the ECS has a large washer to hold it all in place.
The damage looks to be caused by movement which Im guessing we all will get , tony just puts his car through more paces lol
ultimately you need uprated eng mounts and a solid bottom mount.
Stretch bolt should be one time only , but many get away without doing so but its not the way it should be done and carries (some) risk of something going awry.
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Re: ECS Dogbone Mount Insert
« Reply #88 on: April 08, 2009, 11:40:57 pm »
....

Having seen this thread, mine's gonna get inspected when VWR do my engine mount in a few weeks.
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Re: ECS Dogbone Mount Insert
« Reply #89 on: April 09, 2009, 12:10:45 pm »
I'll be sure to get my ECS checked at some point soon too!
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