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Whiteline Anti Lift Kit
Dario:
good write up :happy2:
RedRobin:
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IMPORTANT:
If you install this AntiLift kit it's advisable to upgrade the bushes on the other side of the wishbone. This is because the stock bushes are softer than the ones integrated into the Whiteline kit and loading will transfer to the 'weaker' oem bush and could eventually cause failure.
Top Cat:
--- Quote from: RedRobin on November 23, 2008, 11:33:35 am ---....
IMPORTANT:
If you install this AntiLift kit it's advisable to upgrade the bushes on the other side of the wishbone. This is because the stock bushes are softer than the ones integrated into the Whiteline kit and loading will transfer to the 'weaker' oem bush and could eventually cause failure.
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Is it not better to wait and see if there is any evidence of this RR as no one has reported it so far and they have been on Mk 4's for some time obviously it is worth monitoring but, TT mentioned this would start compromising the feel of the car if i remember rightly. :smiley:
RedRobin:
--- Quote from: Top Cat on November 23, 2008, 12:47:18 pm ---
--- Quote from: RedRobin on November 23, 2008, 11:33:35 am ---....
IMPORTANT:
If you install this AntiLift kit it's advisable to upgrade the bushes on the other side of the wishbone. This is because the stock bushes are softer than the ones integrated into the Whiteline kit and loading will transfer to the 'weaker' oem bush and could eventually cause failure.
--- End quote ---
Is it not better to wait and see if there is any evidence of this RR as no one has reported it so far and they have been on Mk 4's for some time obviously it is worth monitoring but, TT mentioned this would start compromising the feel of the car if i remember rightly. :smiley:
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....Yes, and No - It's how I've been advised by VW Racing's suspension guy and so, as you say, definitely worth mentioning.
If you've already got the WALK's fitted then it's doubtless not worth the effort of changing and more a case of wait and see, and it may never be an issue - Indeed I hope not!
VWR's perspective, and hence advice, comes from hardcore track experience and their knowledge of what components are subjected to. They regularly strip their GTI's and send parts away for specialist servicing or replacement. This gives them a knowledge of how various components endure their usage.
Of course track and road use are different, but there is a significant overlap. For track it's pedal-to-the-metal, lap after lap, hard driving with a shorter lifespan before replacement. For example, KW racing shocks are only galvanised because they are more regularly replaced, whereas KW's road products are stainless steel. For road it's mile after mile, year after year, but with occasional spirited driving and the suspension still gets some serious workouts (unless you drive like a granny and don't really need a GTI). The car doesn't differentiate whether she's driven on road or track but simply responds to how she's driven and hence the suspension workout she has to endure.
Put it this way, if VWR/RLL start offering WALK's as part of their suspension package for 'fast road use', they'll include the additional bushes - Just as Milltek now include the Torque Arm Insert with their downpipes. I can't speak on behalf of VWR but my knowledge of them strongly suggests that they wouldn't offer WALK's without the extra bushes - It's an attitude based on their own particular experiences and one I'm very inclined to take notice of.
You played the TT-card!! :grin: [I hope his current absence isn't due to illness - God Speed! as they say]
But I'm The Dealer, so my Blackjack wins! :evilgrin:
Like several others on this forum, I have driven a number of highly modified GTI's and I humbly suggest that, in my opinion, you would be very hard pressed to feel the difference of just the aftermarket wishbone bushes. I've recently driven my second GTI which has both aftermarket engine mounts and poly bushes throughout and didn't find the ride at all uncomfortable. Imo it wouldn't even equate to the difference in ride feel between Monza 17's and 18's.
OK, your wife might not like the ride, but on the other hand she might absolutely love it!! :evilgrin:
I have enormous respect for TT's opinions and knowledge and I will always listen to him, but on this occasion my opinion differs at this time.
:happy2:
Top Cat:
Then i shall just repeat what his opinion on the subject was and i wont say a word more. :P
Quote from: Top Cat on October 31, 2008, 02:16:16 pm
While i have you what do you think about the suggestion of uprating the bushes on the front wishbone as well i think VW racing mentioned it may also be a good idea to RedRobin but they have not looked into it as yet for him. so whats your thought's.
TT's quote
Uprated poly bushes on the leading edge of the lower wishbones (or indeed on any suspension component) are a bit of a grey area. Yes, they will marginally improve the feel, and generall handling. However, they are no where near as compliant as the standard rubber bushes. Poly suspension bushes, which include the WALK, will give more noise through the car, and will create much more harsh "feelings" inside the car. If you have a wife or kids, or generally enjoy the refinement of the car, I would just stick with the WALK, and leave the front bushes standard.
Just remember that VW Racing are race car or motorsport specialists. You need someone who knows what works best on the road.
Oh and by the way he is fine last i heard he emailed me last week and was just having a break from hitting you on the head with a squeeky toy hammer. :laugh:
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