Brake upgrades (RS4)

[Hurdy]

No No No

TAROX 10 pots are the future.

[xxx_mojo_xxx]

R32 all round for me in a nice  colour

Gadget, those discs look phat!  I take it you got the calipers from somewhere else - they're not R32 ones?

[mYGeL]

is the yellow ones the same as on the R32?
How did you get the badge on?

I have an Leon cupra Mk2 and want to fit a bodge wit a loggo but havent find anything to fit?

Regards// michael

[jabbalad]

I have just fitted some Ferodo DS2500 pads in mine as a stop gap to a bigger brake setup, and I am really amazed at what a differnce it has made.
The pedal feels really solid now and you can really control the braking much better (the original pads felt like I was pushing on wood!)
I also changed my brake fluid to some motorsport fluid at the same time which would of also helped too...

Bang for buck tho I would say there the way to go

[Teutonic_Tamer]

Personally I am not a fan of drilled discs, more prone to cracking when put under lots of heat propagation.

I think you will find that the only drilled dics which crack are poor quality ones.  High quality discs, with correctly chamfered drilling do not suffer this problem.

[Teutonic_Tamer]

I also changed my brake fluid to some motorsport fluid at the same time which would of also helped too...

You will ruin your ABS/ESP unit - and get a nasty bill for £1500.  Flush it out and put the proper spec VW fluid in.

[xxx_mojo_xxx]

I also changed my brake fluid to some motorsport fluid at the same time which would of also helped too...

You will ruin your ABS/ESP unit - and get a nasty bill for £1500.  Flush it out and put the proper spec VW fluid in.

Hi TT,

Are you saying that we should stick with VW spec brake fluid.  I was thinking about putting dot 4.1 oil (or something like that). 

Please provide a detailed run through...

Thanks in advance. 

[Msportman]

I also changed my brake fluid to some motorsport fluid at the same time which would of also helped too...

You will ruin your ABS/ESP unit - and get a nasty bill for £1500.  Flush it out and put the proper spec VW fluid in.

Hi TT,

Are you saying that we should stick with VW spec brake fluid.  I was thinking about putting dot 4.1 oil (or something like that). 

Please provide a detailed run through...

Thanks in advance. 

No problem whatsoever putting in Motul RB600F fluid. This is a proper fully synthetic motorsport product and gives amazing performance time after time. I've used this in all of my high performance and track car's in the past and currently run this in my Ed30 which has seen a full monty use at Combe in July. Works very well in conjunction with EBC Yellow's too!!

I ran Tarox on my old APR Stage 3 car and had more track use than hot dinners....Carbon Corsa pads were excellent on the 6 pot kit. 330mm discs and bells were expensive to replace though!

Where are the RS4 brakes available for less than £1400??

Is that without VAT?

Are they a 2 piece set up?

Seems very cheap   

[Teutonic_Tamer]

I also changed my brake fluid to some motorsport fluid at the same time which would of also helped too...

You will ruin your ABS/ESP unit - and get a nasty bill for £1500.  Flush it out and put the proper spec VW fluid in.

Hi TT,

Are you saying that we should stick with VW spec brake fluid.  I was thinking about putting dot 4.1 oil (or something like that). 

Yup, you really do need to stick with the genuine VW brake fluid - or a fluid which has been approved by VW to the 501.14 standard.  'Normal' DOT 4 fluid is NOT good enough.  The fluid will be too 'thick', and at best will cause your ABS and ESP to work sluggishly, and at worst, completely fcuk up the ABS/ESP unit.  And this isn't some kind of 'scare tactic'.  The Golf uses an inferior Teves ESP unit, and these are exceedingly well known for fcuking up and landing the owners with a £1500 bill.  It is for this very reason, that VW now demand that ONLY 501.14 fluid is used - if it isn't used, they will deny warranty cover for the ABS/ESP unit.

HTH

[Teutonic_Tamer]

I also changed my brake fluid to some motorsport fluid at the same time which would of also helped too...

You will ruin your ABS/ESP unit - and get a nasty bill for £1500.  Flush it out and put the proper spec VW fluid in.

Hi TT,

Are you saying that we should stick with VW spec brake fluid.  I was thinking about putting dot 4.1 oil (or something like that). 

Please provide a detailed run through...

Thanks in advance. 

No problem whatsoever putting in Motul RB600F fluid.

Huh, how can you say that?  That fluid does NOT comply with the required VW standard!  Or are you going to cough up everyone elses bills when it toasts their ESP unit?

This is a proper fully synthetic motorsport product and gives amazing performance time after time. I've used this in all of my high performance and track car's in the past and currently run this in my Ed30 which has seen a full monty use at Combe in July. Works very well in conjunction with EBC Yellow's too!!

I'm NOT doubting its 'motorsport' credentials!  However, I bet that 99.9% of all 'big brake' or brake upgraders on this forum still use their car on the road, and still have the OEM ABS/ESP unit fitted.  But the Motul RBF is specifically designed for motorsport applications, where ABS/ESP is banned - so the viscosity is not an issue.  Furthermore, the Motul RBF isn't that much better than the standard VW OEM fluid, which itself is an exceedingly high quality fluid, and out performs many 'so-called' 5.1 fluids

Motul RBF 600:  wet boil: 216degC
VW fluid: wet boil: 172degC - which is way better than many specialist products, including Mintex, Vavloline, AP Racing (at a shocking 151degC)

But if you genuinely want a top notch motorsport fluid, then you really should be using Castrol SRF, which has a stonking 270degC wet boil. 

Where are the RS4 brakes available for less than £1400??

Is that without VAT?

Are they a 2 piece set up?

Seems very cheap   

Huh, you lost me on that?

[xxx_mojo_xxx]

Thanks TT! 

So, I should stick with the genuine VW brake fluid.   

If I was to consider a higher boiling point fluid - what would you recommend. Ideally something VW approved and does not mess up the ABS/ESP units.

Cheers once again... 

[Msportman]

I also changed my brake fluid to some motorsport fluid at the same time which would of also helped too...

You will ruin your ABS/ESP unit - and get a nasty bill for £1500.  Flush it out and put the proper spec VW fluid in.

Hi TT,

Are you saying that we should stick with VW spec brake fluid.  I was thinking about putting dot 4.1 oil (or something like that). 

Please provide a detailed run through...

Thanks in advance. 

No problem whatsoever putting in Motul RB600F fluid.

Huh, how can you say that?  That fluid does NOT comply with the required VW standard!  Or are you going to cough up everyone elses bills when it toasts their ESP unit?

This is a proper fully synthetic motorsport product and gives amazing performance time after time. I've used this in all of my high performance and track car's in the past and currently run this in my Ed30 which has seen a full monty use at Combe in July. Works very well in conjunction with EBC Yellow's too!!

I'm NOT doubting its 'motorsport' credentials!  However, I bet that 99.9% of all 'big brake' or brake upgraders on this forum still use their car on the road, and still have the OEM ABS/ESP unit fitted.  But the Motul RBF is specifically designed for motorsport applications, where ABS/ESP is banned - so the viscosity is not an issue.  Furthermore, the Motul RBF isn't that much better than the standard VW OEM fluid, which itself is an exceedingly high quality fluid, and out performs many 'so-called' 5.1 fluids

Motul RBF 600:  wet boil: 216degC
VW fluid: wet boil: 172degC - which is way better than many specialist products, including Mintex, Vavloline, AP Racing (at a shocking 151degC)

But if you genuinely want a top notch motorsport fluid, then you really should be using Castrol SRF, which has a stonking 270degC wet boil. 

Where are the RS4 brakes available for less than £1400??

Is that without VAT?

Are they a 2 piece set up?

Seems very cheap   

Huh, you lost me on that?

Never had an issue with Motul RB600F...more than capable over the OE stuff.

Most of the people I know racing in the National Windcreen champ are using it and is used elsewhere in Msport.

Certainly a viable upgrade that won't harm your braking efficiency.

[Teutonic_Tamer]

Thanks TT! 

So, I should stick with the genuine VW brake fluid.   

If I was to consider a higher boiling point fluid - what would you recommend. Ideally something VW approved and does not mess up the ABS/ESP units.

Just stick with VW fluid.  Like I said, the VW fluid out-performs many of the so called high performance fluids.  Don't forget, it is good enough in my RS4 with ceramic brakes, or the mighty 2½ tonne RS6, or the even mightyer Bugatti Veyron!

[Teutonic_Tamer]

Never had an issue with Motul RB600F...more than capable over the OE stuff.

Most of the people I know racing in the National Windcreen champ are using it and is used elsewhere in Msport.

Certainly a viable upgrade that won't harm your braking efficiency.

The issue with RBF isn't anything to do with it being 'capable' or not, nor is it questioned about it's motorsport credentials.  What is very highly questionable - is simply that it will fcuk up the ESP unit!  Hence why I keep batting on about road cars - with their 'delicate' ESP units, which must ONLY be fed with genuine VW fluid. 

[Msportman]

Never had an issue with Motul RB600F...more than capable over the OE stuff.

Most of the people I know racing in the National Windcreen champ are using it and is used elsewhere in Msport.

Certainly a viable upgrade that won't harm your braking efficiency.

The issue with RBF isn't anything to do with it being 'capable' or not, nor is it questioned about it's motorsport credentials.  What is very highly questionable - is simply that it will fcuk up the ESP unit!  Hence why I keep batting on about road cars - with their 'delicate' ESP units, which must ONLY be fed with genuine VW fluid. 

I've run Motul RB600F in my previous MKIV,RS4,VR6, MK2 16v Slick 50 race car....never an issue on the ESP and it's certainly of a the adequate viscosity to be reliable.
Mr Brockbank over at Badger 5 on Seatcupra net also swears by it. We've both been around the track and race scene for years and used it with good effect. I take it that the VW fluid has been upgraded in the last few years as the old VW fluid was a DOT 4 then went 5.1

As you comment SRF does the biz and retails for alot more but you can't discount Motul.