1K6 920 860 E to highline (mfa+) cluster possible?

[Timvgti]

Hi guys,

Some months ago I already talked to Darren on the forum about retrofitting a highline (mfa+) cluster on my Dutch VW Golf mk5 GTI, 5 doors, 06-2005.
Haven’t done it yet, but found a company with several clusters.
I looked into vcds and at this momen (small mfa) I have: 1K6 920 860 E
I have the ‘old style’ mfsw buttons, so I can’t control a mfa+ with those buttons (look at the atttached picture, I have 2005.5 buttons),
so I guess I can/have to control the mfa+ with the wiper stalk buttons. Is this true? Can I acces all the menu’s? (I also have a rns510)
What partnumbers (highline/mfa+ clusters) are working in my situation (km/u clusters)?

After a good working retrofit, is it also possible to install the newer style buttons? Will they work? Any extra vcds coding needed?

Thanks a lot and hoping to buy the right mfa+ cluster soon.


Tim
The Netherlands

[apples12]

my 1.9tdi is the same date as yours, a 06-2005 which came with mid-line but with no MFSW, i managed to retrofit the cluster, the newer buttons, the steering control module too

my understanding is that if you get a 862 cluster then the newer buttons ought to work no problem, my retrofit cluster is 972 and i've got the newer buttons installed in mine along with the steering control module out of the same car the clocks were removed from

it IS possible, just a case of figuring out the correct part numbers!

good luck!

[Eddie-NL]

Hi

If you have Vag-commander you have a couple of options

Use 1K6 920 870, 871 & 872

These will work fine with the older buttons and MFA stalk. You will have issues with the RNS510. If you are in audio you will be trapped and need to switch the RNS off to get back to the menu list

or

You can use newer 873 & 874 but you will need someone like Kalu to add your immo and the Old style MFSW buttons and stalk will need changing to the Menu button version.

I have a 974 cluster in my car, I read my immo data and emailled it to kalu.
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,38576.0.html

Ed

waar in Nederland ben jij?

[Timvgti]

Thanks so much!
(@Eddie-NL: ik woon in Schiedam. Jij?)
I have vag commander and vcds, so best for me to look at a 870,871 or 872 cluster?!
Spoke to Darren (pb's on forum) and he says 870 and 871 will work for sure, but he is not sure 872 will work with the wiper stalk control...

What do you mean with the rns510 problem in 'audio mode'? How comes and is it annoying?

If I would decide/need to also swap my old mfsw buttons for new models, I guess I also need a newer controller and those things together will cost me to much for just a bigger screen with some extra info (I guess)...

Tim

[Eddie-NL]

Ik woon in Engeland maar Vroeger woonde ik in Amsterdam-oud west.

The problem is that you need to switch the RNS off to get out of the audio menu. Not a huge problem but can be annoying.

872 clusters will either work with menu button or stalk.
Even if you change to the newer buttons the Steering controller will be ok

[Timvgti]

Thanks!!!

So best for me to look at a 872 cluster, so I can just it with my wiper stalk and if I find a new set of 2006+ mfsw buttons, I can install them and use those buttons to control I too? Glad to hear the old controller also works with new buttons.
(what's the part number for the newer style buttons?)

So if I cycle through the mfa+ menu's and I get past the audio menu, it locks and stays there until I switch my rns510 of?
You can't keep cycling through menu's without this?

[Eddie-NL]

just look for the newer style buttons, or a mfsw that has them.

once you get in audio menu (where it give track / radio info) you can't move to the next or previous menu until the rns is switched off.

870 and 871 are the most likely to suffer from this. 972 should be ok as that supports the Menu button.

[Timvgti]

972? You mean 872?

[Eddie-NL]

972? You mean 872?

sorry, yes thinking of UK market

[Timvgti]

So 872 it will be!
Do you think a 872 cluster, controlled with my wiper stalk (of I can't find new style mfsw buttons, or I decide to buy/install them later) will have the rns510 problem?

Thanks,

Tim

[Timvgti]

And what's the part number for the 2006+ style mfsw buttons? (but not the NEWEST style, with different 'incremented buttons'). So looking for the ones like in the picture I posted above.

[Timvgti]

Guys?
No one knows the partnummer for the mfsw buttons?
Or knows if the 'rns510' problem also occurs on a 872 cluster?

(if not and if I know the partnumber for new style mfsw buttons, I want to order them tomorrow)

[Timvgti]

Up!
I haven't swapped my midline mfa for a highline mfa (mfa+).
But since I recently installed a Kufatec Fiscon Basic Plus, I'm interested in a large screen mfa again, because I want to see the kufatec e-mfa addons (like oil temp, digital speed, rpm, watertemp, etc.)

So: What mfa+ cluster will work fully with the wiper stalk buttons? Because I'd rather not replace my mfsw buttons for the new style ones...

Anyone else experienced the problems 'Eddie-NL' indicated? -> 'once you get in audio menu (where it give track / radio info) you can't move to the next or previous menu until the rns is switched off.'
Is this solved with the 872/972 clusters or only when I install the new style mfsw buttons?

[skard]

I had an 872K cluster in my car briefly, and now it belongs to Maxitrol.

Both cars could make use of the MFA wiper stalk but unfortunately neither car had an RNS510. I also had the later MFSW buttons.

Sorry I can't be more help.
Generally speaking though, if Ed reckons this will be a problem then I'd take his word on it.

870/871 clocks are designed to be used with the older buttons and also the MFA stalk. 872 onwards is designed to work only from the newer MFSW buttons and do not need an MFA stalk, although it still functions when scrolling.

[Timvgti]

Thanks 'skard'.
I've PM'ed Eddie again, so I hope he answers again.
You're saying that with 872 clusters, it still functions when scrolling with the wiper stalk buttons. But besides scrolling, does the OK|Reset button for confirmation/entering menu's still work?

And with these clusters, how comes you can't switch back to other menu's once you are in the audio menu? Is this only with a rns510?
I've looked in my original 2005 manual, and there I see how they control all the menu's in the mfa+ with just the wiper stalk buttons (because in 2005 only the old style mfsw buttons excisted and a rcd300 or mfd2. Not a rns510 off course)...