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Re: Opinions on lightened alternator pulleys (Neuspeed, Agency Power etc)
« Reply #15 on: January 20, 2012, 02:01:38 pm »
Cheers for all the advice guys. Unfortunately I had my cambelt/water pump done last year so it'll have to be a stand alone mod. I might contact Awesome and see if they'd be willing to do a before and after dyno run to see if we get any proven gains now that my mind has been put at rest re: the safety of the mod
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Re: Opinions on lightened alternator pulleys (Neuspeed, Agency Power etc)
« Reply #16 on: January 20, 2012, 06:44:47 pm »
Lowering rotational mass do you not lose some torque tho?



No, torque is a factor developed by the engine, less resistance = more torque.

When dyno tuning certain track/race cars we often remove the alternator belt to see what the difference is as they donr actually need them for short bursts of power such as drag strips. A gain of much more than 3-4hp  is rarely seen, this is removing not just a percentage in drag from the pulley but the actual entire drag of the alternator.

On aircooled cars such as beetles where the belt runs a large fan, the belt being removed adds 30+ hp in some cases, on an engine that makes 120hp! (car we tested this on: http://www.dyno-tuning.co.uk/gallery/vwBeetle.htm )

personally I cant see these lightweight pulleys adding any real power or bhp, or mpg. If I was building a high spec £15k+ engine for competitive race use then I may consider testing them, but for a road car then I find them pointless.

If I was a retail operation looking to make high profit margins from shiny bits of metal, selling such parts to car enthusiasts would be very very easy. Unfortunately we get a large amount of customers visit us for 'dyno test -fit part - dyno test' type work and often my sceptisism was well placed  :wink:

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Re: Opinions on lightened alternator pulleys (Neuspeed, Agency Power etc)
« Reply #17 on: January 20, 2012, 07:01:06 pm »
Crank pulleys don't just serve to provide a power take off for auxillary components; It is my understanding (and I'm happy to be corrected) they also serve as a rotational mass damper to reduce the severity of rotational harmonics in the crank and combat high cycle fatigue failures.

Bottom line is that I can't see the point in changing a crank pulley without good foundation to the replacement's design.

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Re: Opinions on lightened alternator pulleys (Neuspeed, Agency Power etc)
« Reply #18 on: January 20, 2012, 07:11:26 pm »
Lowering rotational mass do you not lose some torque tho?



No, torque is a factor developed by the engine, less resistance = more torque.

When dyno tuning certain track/race cars we often remove the alternator belt to see what the difference is as they donr actually need them for short bursts of power such as drag strips. A gain of much more than 3-4hp  is rarely seen, this is removing not just a percentage in drag from the pulley but the actual entire drag of the alternator.

On aircooled cars such as beetles where the belt runs a large fan, the belt being removed adds 30+ hp in some cases, on an engine that makes 120hp! (car we tested this on: http://www.dyno-tuning.co.uk/gallery/vwBeetle.htm )

personally I cant see these lightweight pulleys adding any real power or bhp, or mpg. If I was building a high spec £15k+ engine for competitive race use then I may consider testing them, but for a road car then I find them pointless.

If I was a retail operation looking to make high profit margins from shiny bits of metal, selling such parts to car enthusiasts would be very very easy. Unfortunately we get a large amount of customers visit us for 'dyno test -fit part - dyno test' type work and often my sceptisism was well placed  :wink:

looks like that's the end of that then

thanks very much PDT. your input is much appreciated! i just need you to find me something i can buy off you for the money i saved - do you stock Defi gauges?
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Re: Opinions on lightened alternator pulleys (Neuspeed, Agency Power etc)
« Reply #19 on: January 20, 2012, 07:37:10 pm »
Dave (PDT) is spot on, i have one of these crank pulleys and it is considerably lighter than the OEM one and easy to fit for the novice IMO. If you asked me if it will free up a few horses...maybe....will you notice it...NO!

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Re: Opinions on lightened alternator pulleys (Neuspeed, Agency Power etc)
« Reply #20 on: January 20, 2012, 08:15:32 pm »
Lowering rotational mass do you not lose some torque tho?



No, torque is a factor developed by the engine, less resistance = more torque.

When dyno tuning certain track/race cars we often remove the alternator belt to see what the difference is as they donr actually need them for short bursts of power such as drag strips. A gain of much more than 3-4hp  is rarely seen, this is removing not just a percentage in drag from the pulley but the actual entire drag of the alternator.

On aircooled cars such as beetles where the belt runs a large fan, the belt being removed adds 30+ hp in some cases, on an engine that makes 120hp! (car we tested this on: http://www.dyno-tuning.co.uk/gallery/vwBeetle.htm )

personally I cant see these lightweight pulleys adding any real power or bhp, or mpg. If I was building a high spec £15k+ engine for competitive race use then I may consider testing them, but for a road car then I find them pointless.

If I was a retail operation looking to make high profit margins from shiny bits of metal, selling such parts to car enthusiasts would be very very easy. Unfortunately we get a large amount of customers visit us for 'dyno test -fit part - dyno test' type work and often my sceptisism was well placed  :wink:

looks like that's the end of that then

thanks very much PDT. your input is much appreciated! i just need you to find me something i can buy off you for the money i saved - do you stock Defi gauges?

No, deal with Bilstein, Forge, Piercross, Milltek, Remus and a few others. Have an Iphone 4 and 4s available though  :signLOL:

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Re: Opinions on lightened alternator pulleys (Neuspeed, Agency Power etc)
« Reply #21 on: January 20, 2012, 08:16:32 pm »
Lowering rotational mass do you not lose some torque tho?



No, torque is a factor developed by the engine, less resistance = more torque.

When dyno tuning certain track/race cars we often remove the alternator belt to see what the difference is as they donr actually need them for short bursts of power such as drag strips. A gain of much more than 3-4hp  is rarely seen, this is removing not just a percentage in drag from the pulley but the actual entire drag of the alternator.

On aircooled cars such as beetles where the belt runs a large fan, the belt being removed adds 30+ hp in some cases, on an engine that makes 120hp! (car we tested this on: http://www.dyno-tuning.co.uk/gallery/vwBeetle.htm )

personally I cant see these lightweight pulleys adding any real power or bhp, or mpg. If I was building a high spec £15k+ engine for competitive race use then I may consider testing them, but for a road car then I find them pointless.

If I was a retail operation looking to make high profit margins from shiny bits of metal, selling such parts to car enthusiasts would be very very easy. Unfortunately we get a large amount of customers visit us for 'dyno test -fit part - dyno test' type work and often my sceptisism was well placed  :wink:

looks like that's the end of that then

thanks very much PDT. your input is much appreciated! i just need you to find me something i can buy off you for the money i saved - do you stock Defi gauges?

No, deal with Bilstein, Forge, Piercross, Milltek, Remus and a few others. Have an Iphone 4 and 4s available though  :signLOL:

already got a 4S fella. there are a couple of bits i need - i'll PM ya
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There are gains to be had from the pulley, but as with everything the more power you already have to start with, the less you will notice the effect of the pulley. I agree that it is just a nice to have mod if you can fit it with the cam belt.


john, did you have one of these on your old eddie for any length of time?

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Mike is on stock pulley. Flyboy and myself both run fluidampr on our cars. They actually weigh more, but are perfectly balanced.


hi alex, yeah i think you may have shown me one. and the design is more efficient than the neuspeed one? is it under belt design or more like the agency power one? ta
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