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APR stage 2+ v3.0
« on: January 29, 2012, 11:07:10 pm »
Right so ive been lucky enough to have been given the chance to absolutely cane the granny out of a Golf R with APR's new software for a week. Im not sure what its official name is, but I just call it the APR 2.0tfsi v3.0 software lol.

Bit of background on myself, I previously owned a revo stage 2+ mk2 leon cupra k1, and currently a stage 2 TTRS.

Now getting into this car I wasnt sure what to expect, as APR had a reputation in the UK atleast for being tamer than the likes of revo with their old v1 map, but then again, revo always was the most aggressive mapper of the lot and ive yet to come across another map that could match or surpass revo on the 2.0TFSI, and ive experienced a hell of alot of maps over the years now on this engine.

So off I went, got the engine up to temp and oil up to temp and started to play.

Now im sat here trying to think how to best sum up its performance, so I think I will just quote what I wrote on facebook about it at the time to my friends.

"This Golf R is fookin rapid" "its bloody quick" and "I don't remember by mk2 Leon Cupra being this quick!"

And this is me saying that after having jumped in the golf straight after having been in my 420bhp TTRS!

The response of the engine and the pickup from low down is just crazy, it pulls hard non stop throughout the rev range all the way to 7k rpm with there being no signs of the power dropping off. The map is just so smooth whilst being explosive, I cant really describe it, its something you have to try. Whatever APR did to this map you have to take your hat off to them, and perhaps Revo should now be slightly worried as they have a worthy competitior. Its as if someones shoe horned a 3.0 litre turbo in this car, as its factory smooth pulling through the rev range whilst being blistering quick.

And the best thing of all about this new and improved APR map? There is no flat spot like there is on revo stage 2 plus cars, or my mates jabba mapped stage 2 plus car.

Anyhow, after a few days of still being impressed with the car, I decided to ring up some friends and have a 2.0TFSI K04 meet.

In attendance was:

MRC Stage 2 plus Golf R
JABBA Stage 2 plus mk2 cupra (completely stripped out, just race seats and dash for interior, fronty door cards)

A hybrid vxr and a hybrid mk2 focus RS also came along for some testing.

What we found was that the APR cars response would allow it to jump on all the other cars straight away, and either maintain that gap or increase it.I fully expected the jabba car to reel me back in but that never happened. Now ive had some plays against that car in my revo cupra k1 before and we found that the revo car was always slighty faster, but back then the jabba car also had a full interior. Sadly I couldnt get a revo stage 2 plus car out on the day but I think we can roughly guess the outcome based on previous experiences.


So this might be bad news in a way, as I suppose now when trying to decide which map you want for your car there is no longer a simple or obvious choice. Revo or APR imo.

If I was to modify a 2.0TFSI all over again? Id go APR this time round, no flatspots and no occasional flashing engine lights on the dash, just making loads of power everywhere.


I hope this helps people who have been wondering about APRs new map like TFSI Mike, and those who wanted a more expanded and indepth review, after reading positive things about APRs map by other members on this forum who have also had the pleasure of driving this car.

Any questions fire away.
« Last Edit: January 30, 2012, 11:38:58 am by Poverty »

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Re: APR stage 2+ v2.0
« Reply #1 on: January 29, 2012, 11:19:17 pm »
Hmmm interesting. Cheers for posting this Pov.

I'm not too familiar with the Golf R, but is the engine identical to that of the Cupra and Ed30?

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Re: APR stage 2+ v2.0
« Reply #2 on: January 29, 2012, 11:20:06 pm »
Poverty...have you driven a REVO stage 2+ Golf R?

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Re: APR stage 2+ v2.0
« Reply #3 on: January 29, 2012, 11:21:55 pm »
Poverty...have you driven a REVO stage 2+ Golf R?

No not a Golf R, just Cupra and S3.

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Re: APR stage 2+ v2.0
« Reply #4 on: January 29, 2012, 11:22:19 pm »
Hmmm interesting. Cheers for posting this Pov.

I'm not too familiar with the Golf R, but is the engine identical to that of the Cupra and Ed30?

Yeah same engine

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Re: APR stage 2+ v2.0
« Reply #5 on: January 29, 2012, 11:26:15 pm »

Thanks for your thoughts Pov

I had an update (v2 or 2.2 I can't remember but yin posted on here when it became available). I'm very keen to find out of it is the same or has been further developed / improved  :party:

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Re: APR stage 2+ v2.0
« Reply #6 on: January 29, 2012, 11:29:17 pm »

Thanks for your thoughts Pov

I had an update (v2 or 2.2 I can't remember but yin posted on here when it became available). I'm very keen to find out of it is the same or has been further developed / improved  :party:

I might have to change the name of the thread to V3 then lol. I will find out for you on tuesday mate when I return the car and see keith.

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Re: APR stage 2+ v2.0
« Reply #7 on: January 29, 2012, 11:31:07 pm »
Here is is

Seat Leon EURO MY2007 6-Spd 2.0T FSI 1P0907115C S0020 Stages 1/2 V2.2
Seat Leon EURO MY2007 6-Spd 2.0T FSI 1P0907115C S0020 Stages 1/2 V2.2 APR Pump
Seat Leon EURO MY2007 6-Spd 2.0T FSI 1P0907115C S0020 Stages 1/2 V2.2 Testpipes
Seat Leon EURO MY2007 6-Spd 2.0T FSI 1P0907115C S0020 Stage 2+ V2.2 Testpipes APR Pump Performance

How i interpret  this is the S0020 is the version number i have the old version so it looks as if we all get the free update. The 1p0907115c is the ecu number for the 240 tfsi cupra


I'd actually like to find out which version awesome flashed on as I didn't have "test pipes"
Which was the CEL fix for decat

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Re: APR stage 2+ v2.0
« Reply #8 on: January 29, 2012, 11:35:43 pm »
The thing is Mike do you even know how yours is running currently, itmight be making v.good figures and have that same software version.  Have you had a go against a revo S2+ car in your current spec?

BUT one thing we would need to consider, this is the APR UK demo car.  Do you really think its running thenormal APR map or is it a tweaked version to make good publicity

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Re: APR stage 2+ v2.0
« Reply #9 on: January 29, 2012, 11:40:17 pm »
The thing is Mike do you even know how yours is running currently, itmight be making v.good figures and have that same software version.  Have you had a go against a revo S2+ car in your current spec?

BUT one thing we would need to consider, this is the APR UK demo car.  Do you really think its running thenormal APR map or is it a tweaked version to make good publicity


Your Ko3 octy wasn't too far behind mine  :confused:

Last RR was 330bhp (curve posted in dyno thread) on a dyno people say is very generous  :laugh:


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Re: APR stage 2+ v2.0
« Reply #10 on: January 29, 2012, 11:43:36 pm »

Your Ko3 octy wasn't too far behind mine  :confused:

Last RR was 330bhp (curve posted in dyno thread) on a dyno people say is very generous  :laugh:
and inconsistent. Sometimes AMDs rollers make similar figures to the DD as well.  330hp would match JKMs highest  ko4 result.  You need another reference I think

You never know I guess until you try, might be worth a £60 before spending more, plus you'll see gains/losses if you change
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Re: APR stage 2+ v2.0
« Reply #11 on: January 29, 2012, 11:44:05 pm »
The thing is Mike do you even know how yours is running currently, itmight be making v.good figures and have that same software version.  Have you had a go against a revo S2+ car in your current spec?

BUT one thing we would need to consider, this is the APR UK demo car.  Do you really think its running thenormal APR map or is it a tweaked version to make good publicity


Valid point, but surely the public released map is as good as you can get it? Dont know how they could make the car even quicker whilst still being so smooth?


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Re: APR stage 2+ v2.0
« Reply #12 on: January 29, 2012, 11:52:59 pm »
Does it have a linear throttle map and if not can they do it?

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Re: APR stage 2+ v2.0
« Reply #13 on: January 29, 2012, 11:54:08 pm »
Ohh yeah.. wheres that stage 1 ED30 that made about 315bhp on AMDs?  :signLOL:

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Re: APR stage 2+ v2.0
« Reply #14 on: January 29, 2012, 11:56:15 pm »
Does it have a linear throttle map and if not can they do it?

Apparently its an easy change.  Jabba are doing it for mine, or at least said they would