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Re: Ceramic coating of downpipe
« Reply #30 on: February 12, 2012, 11:32:01 pm »
On cars where the downpipe/ manifold is at the front of the engine and then comes under the sump (often with no under tray I.e many vauxhalls) then the wrap does take lots Of abuse from water etc... If the wrap and item to be wrapped is of a good quality then you won't have any issues. If you try and wrap your cheap eBay mild steel manifold with eBay wrap then it will probably rust.

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Re: Ceramic coating of downpipe
« Reply #31 on: February 12, 2012, 11:36:15 pm »

Stainless Blueflame DP with wrap & stainless clamps used in motorsports & noble exhaust systems.  Not sure if adhesive & sealant are used too but I trust it will be done properly.  Im sure it will be fine on my humble Leon  :smiley:

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Re: Ceramic coating of downpipe
« Reply #32 on: February 13, 2012, 02:06:45 am »
So why do high powered cars coat both inside and outside of the manifold/exhaust system??

Do they? Are we talking about special requirements of race cars? No Porsche and no
Ferrari sportscar needs gmiimicks like this. Are these slow?


The Ex F1 technician and engine builder that I speak to 3-4 times a week must be wrong then. So must the guys at Zircotec and The authors of numerous books that cover the subject I.e 4 stroke tuning by A.G Bell.

Also the EFI university must be using incorrect information during their training seminars.

That's why I asked for information and I still miss it.

But of course ''hoter gasses flow better'' still remains nonsense in case of an exhaust system.


Google Boyles Law and Daniel Bernoulli

Same principal for dynamic passage of air over a wing creating lift CL=1/2 Rho V Squared, a smoother surface also creates a better boundary layer against the surface over which it passes = less drag = better breathing

Dave, if you had read what I've written in other topics about aerodynamics you'd know
that I have read enough about Bernoulli, Hucho and others.

I did not negate in any way smoothing the surface will improve flow.  :wink:

Until now some guys told about isolation and better flow of hotter gases which is crap.
Also smoothing the inner surface doesn't need any coating at all.

At least on a cheapo DP.  :stupid: This seems like putting a F1 tyre on a Tin Lizzy.

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Re: Ceramic coating of downpipe
« Reply #33 on: February 13, 2012, 07:21:25 am »
Air density increases when temperature drops, so coating/wrapping should help:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Density_of_air


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Re: Ceramic coating of downpipe
« Reply #34 on: February 13, 2012, 07:59:51 am »
Surely if the hot gases can't escape through heat soak through the downpipe then they will be forced out quicker?


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Re: Ceramic coating of downpipe
« Reply #35 on: February 13, 2012, 10:49:33 am »
This is getting interesting now! 

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Re: Ceramic coating of downpipe
« Reply #36 on: February 13, 2012, 10:52:32 am »

 :pomppomp: Have a fight see who's the best  :pomppomp:

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Re: Ceramic coating of downpipe
« Reply #37 on: February 13, 2012, 11:05:04 am »

 :pomppomp: Have a fight see who's the best  :pomppomp:

Using ceramic coated broad swords......?  :popcornsoda:

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Re: Ceramic coating of downpipe
« Reply #38 on: February 13, 2012, 11:13:16 am »

 :pomppomp: Have a fight see who's the best  :pomppomp:

Using ceramic coated brown swords......?  :popcornsoda:

That's  :sick:

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Re: Ceramic coating of downpipe
« Reply #39 on: February 13, 2012, 02:26:59 pm »
Air density increases when temperature drops, so coating/wrapping should help:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Density_of_air

That's not the point.

In this case (exhaust gases) the gas mass remains the same, just the volume differs.  :wink:

So your example is a different matter.


The cooler the gases the lesser the volume and the easier it will flow through the exhaust.
So preserving the heat can not increase flow.

The only advantages of wrapping are to prevent heating up the engine bay (and so take in)
and a faster heat up of the cat from cold start (if you still have a cat).
The last is the reason why VW and others use a DP with an air gap on some models (both
Diesels and gas engines).
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Re: Ceramic coating of downpipe
« Reply #40 on: February 13, 2012, 03:14:02 pm »
Zircotec have lots of useful info on their website, lots of technical studies etc...

I have sent an email to a specialist that I know, see if he can provide some definitive technical reports that support the claims by Zircotec (and almost all other exhaust coating specialists worldwide, as well as F1 techs and authors of tuning manuals and technical studies) that state that maintaining the gas temps aids velocity.

see what they come back with. ......

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Re: Ceramic coating of downpipe
« Reply #41 on: February 13, 2012, 03:38:13 pm »
Ask sheldon from the big bang theory, he would know :grin:

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Re: Ceramic coating of downpipe
« Reply #42 on: February 13, 2012, 04:00:12 pm »
 :popcornsoda: I believe the ceramic coating should increase the speed of the exhaust gases.  :happy2:

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Re: Ceramic coating of downpipe
« Reply #43 on: February 13, 2012, 06:48:11 pm »
...... that state that maintaining the gas temps aids velocity.


Of course, the same exhaust gas mass with higher temp and more volume
needs to flow faster to get the same gas mass flow through the system.
That's why drag increases and so back pressure as well.


So what? Faster gases doesn't mean lower drag - it means increased drag !!

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Re: Ceramic coating of downpipe
« Reply #44 on: February 13, 2012, 06:53:00 pm »
I think you have mostly been outgunned on this one. 

Its OK to be wrong  :innocent: