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SFS Performance - Turbo Hose kit for 2.0T FSI (200ps)
Janner_Sy:
to be blunt, who actually cares if they had a slight issue on the prototype. they dont have an issue on the finished product?
Its research and development, hence after their test fit on chungsters they changed it. that was the whole point of asking for a volunteer to be a guinea pig. They didnt just put it out to the market with this issue.
RedRobin:
--- Quote from: vRSy on December 06, 2009, 11:59:49 am ---
to be blunt, who actually cares if they had a slight issue on the prototype. they dont have an issue on the finished product?
Its research and development, hence after their test fit on chungsters they changed it. that was the whole point of asking for a volunteer to be a guinea pig. They didnt just put it out to the market with this issue.
--- End quote ---
....I would have expected a product to be virtually finalised before being asked to be a guinea-pig and consequently potentially putting myself or car at risk.
But I see your point and had missed the extent of guinea-pig-ness which chungster willingly subjected himself to.
Anyway, the good thing is that the finished SFS offering is being shown to work very well and is even good VFM as well.
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chungster:
^^^^ spot on and what i was going to write also. (damn RR managed to put a post in before me....i'm refering to vRSy's post)
They didn't have a GTI themselves for R&D. They took the OEM pipe, said "ooooh I can make a full phat one and see how that goes", hence then the request for a guinea pig (and as they were local to me i put my car forward for it)
SFS saw eventual space issue, but also the diff it made on the Rollers.
They went back, did some minor changes, and the final product was released to the public with no rad fan problems (as Dubtek have said as he ran the revised one for a good few months with no issues)
tony_danza:
I'm sure the theory on removing the metal sections is flow dynamics. The fewer obstructions, joints, changes in bore size, the smoother and more efficient the flow. I can see why this SFS solution works and why it gives better results than the competition. You get faster spool with your pipes, the SFS ones likewise, in addition increasing power and torque because they have less loss over the length.
It's also worth noting that the MKV uses the same crap design of couplings the MKIV had, which blow past the O-rings - removing as many of these as possible can only be a good move.
I may be mis-reading this Robin, but it seems you're beating them down for openly admitting they revised their product in the early stages of pre-production before releasing a finished item ready for the open market? They've never sold 1 of the pipes with an issue to a customer, so what's the problem?
Chungsters was a test car, that's why you have test cars to shake things down and ensure it's right. SFS have been open and honest about their product evolution, I think that's better then trying to cover it up.
Milltek realised they had a design issue with their mounts snapping after full production had been released and fixed it, do you treat them with the same scepticism?
I also seem to remember you defending VWR to the hilt when one of their shortshift kits ballsed up because it hadn't been designed properly before full release.
You judge companies not by their faults, but by how they fix their faults.
Janner_Sy:
exactly right tony.
thats why i shall be buying them.
Its the turbo discharge pipe i am interested in most. but you can ponly buty them in pairs.
I plan on fitting water meth injection to my car by the end of next year, and want to get the nozzle fitted about halfway down the IC/TB pipe, so ideally i need a solid pipe.....which means the neuspeed pipe.
I think the biggest gains are going to be with the turbo discharge pipe anyway.
Who wants to swap their neuspeed IC/TB pipe for an SFS one when i get it.
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