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A fixed format for Product Review Threads....
rich83:
I can't post in your thread for some reason robin......
You cant deny that receiving exhaust/intake/brakes etc for free will put a twist on the review.
If VWR decided to give me a set of brakes for free, I would of course tell everyone they are the bestest brakes ever. If BDM gave me an intake for free I would say that it's the bestest intake.....
Robin if you'd have been offered a 'A-NOTHER' custom exhaust for free which you were happy with then you'd be flying the A-NOTHER flag, not milltek.
So it's not the customer that has the ulterior motive.
DaveB@Vagbremtechnic:
Possibly not Robin, possibly so...
All I'm saying is as this site is non commercial it's only fair that any reviews be subjective.
if somebody gave me £1000's worth of exhaust,brakes,tyres I would find it pretty difficult to be too critical especially if it was a company that I had an ongoing relationship with.
Us "traders" need to have all our adverts vetted and approved prior to publishing, this avoids the subliminal advertising that could undermine a "sponsored" product review.
None of us are stupid, it serves the manufacturers purpose to get their products out there and there's a commercial cost to that (ie you give stuff away), I've done a skinny deal for a chap on here to get the NQSBBK onto his polo 6r, I'd be happy for the guy to publish the price.
My long winded point being I would agree in general about what you are saying regarding commercial matters and confidential discounts, could we agree that if a product is GIFTED to somebody then for the sake of openness it would be worth a mention. In the case of say Brakes if somebody helped develop a kit and was thereafter gifted it how about some pictures of the design process, the fitting, the issues the manufacturer encompassed in development. It would also be good to mention that it was free before beginning the review.
For the avoidance of doubt I'm not referring to the VWR kit, more say for example the NQSBBK kit which was tried on Joes GTI's car at the Nurburgring (at Joes cost), that thread thanks to all the contributors ( not me) is a bloody good read for anybody thinking of upgrading their brakes and is what makes this forum different from others
RedRobin:
--- Quote from: richwig83 on February 22, 2012, 09:58:20 am ---
I can't post in your thread for some reason robin......
You cant deny that receiving exhaust/intake/brakes etc for free will put a twist on the review.
If VWR decided to give me a set of brakes for free, I would of course tell everyone they are the bestest brakes ever. If BDM gave me an intake for free I would say that it's the bestest intake.....
Robin if you'd have been offered a 'A-NOTHER' custom exhaust for free which you were happy with then you'd be flying the A-NOTHER flag, not milltek.
So it's not the customer that has the ulterior motive.
--- End quote ---
.....Hi Rich,
You probably can't post in the other thread because I locked it so that all discussion would be here in one thread.
I most certainly can deny that receiving discounted, even free, goods makes my reviews biassed. I very consciously write and enjoy writing my reviews as objectively as I can. Read them, if you haven't already, and you'll see criticisms as well, even if later in the thread after more time in usage.
I was enthusiastic about and singing Miltek's praises long before my current exhaust 'freebie'. To counter that there are others who take every opportunity to be negative about their products.
I don't accept a product just because it's free or at a substantial discount like some folks, usually in supermarkets, do. And especially not for my car - Only the best I can afford for my beloved 'RED'.
QD MBE:
--- Quote from: RedRobin on February 22, 2012, 10:42:23 am ---
--- Quote from: richwig83 on February 22, 2012, 09:58:20 am ---
I can't post in your thread for some reason robin......
You cant deny that receiving exhaust/intake/brakes etc for free will put a twist on the review.
If VWR decided to give me a set of brakes for free, I would of course tell everyone they are the bestest brakes ever. If BDM gave me an intake for free I would say that it's the bestest intake.....
Robin if you'd have been offered a 'A-NOTHER' custom exhaust for free which you were happy with then you'd be flying the A-NOTHER flag, not milltek.
So it's not the customer that has the ulterior motive.
--- End quote ---
.....Hi Rich,
You probably can't post in the other thread because I locked it so that all discussion would be here in one thread.
I most certainly can deny that receiving discounted, even free, goods makes my reviews biassed. I very consciously write and enjoy writing my reviews as objectively as I can. Read them, if you haven't already, and you'll see criticisms as well, even if later in the thread after more time in usage.
I was enthusiastic about and singing Miltek's praises long before my current exhaust 'freebie'. To counter that there are others who take every opportunity to be negative about their products.
I don't accept a product just because it's free or at a substantial discount like some folks, usually in supermarkets, do. And especially not for my car - Only the best I can afford for my beloved 'RED'.
--- End quote ---
I think Review thread updates would be most useful. A great product on fit may not be so great later down the line.
RR - I am really struggling to remember you posting a bad review, hoever, I am also struggling to remember you posting anything bad about your fitted products.
For instance, you must have had bad experiences with Miltek;
Directed right across the reviewing authors - Receiving free products must mean you have to sign a confidentially agreement? I am of the opinion that you should disclose your involvement/sponsorship when reviewing such products, especially development items.
RedRobin:
--- Quote from: DaveB1970 on February 22, 2012, 10:13:54 am ---
Possibly not Robin, possibly so...
All I'm saying is as this site is non commercial it's only fair that any reviews be subjective.
if somebody gave me £1000's worth of exhaust,brakes,tyres I would find it pretty difficult to be too critical especially if it was a company that I had an ongoing relationship with.
Us "traders" need to have all our adverts vetted and approved prior to publishing, this avoids the subliminal advertising that could undermine a "sponsored" product review.
None of us are stupid, it serves the manufacturers purpose to get their products out there and there's a commercial cost to that (ie you give stuff away), I've done a skinny deal for a chap on here to get the NQSBBK onto his polo 6r, I'd be happy for the guy to publish the price.
My long winded point being I would agree in general about what you are saying regarding commercial matters and confidential discounts, could we agree that if a product is GIFTED to somebody then for the sake of openness it would be worth a mention. In the case of say Brakes if somebody helped develop a kit and was thereafter gifted it how about some pictures of the design process, the fitting, the issues the manufacturer encompassed in development. It would also be good to mention that it was free before beginning the review.
--- End quote ---
....Did you mean to write "objective" instead of "subjective'?
How difficult someone might find it to write a review truly objectively when given discount is perhaps a test of character. Whenever I've been given a discount (and I never ever ask for it) and if I plan to write a review about it I always warn the supplier that I will voice my criticisms if I find any. And if I don't find any, the resulting post doesn't have any.
It doesn't say much for the reader's state of mind if all they can see in someone's positive enthusiasm is agenda or ulterior motive just because the reviewer was given discount or gift.
Words such as "Bought at Discount" AS WELL AS the normal retail price might be a way forward, but without having to declare exactly what discount - But, for the reasons I stated earlier, I'm not convinced. Unfortunately too many people see and focus on the price before they assess any goods/services.
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