revo or r tech map

[Andy]

We can provide you with the Revo remap with the SPS switch and custom setup and log your car onthe dyno at no extra charge. Plus a demo on how to use the switch if needed.

Nick
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We can provide you with the Revo remap with the SPS switch and custom setup and log your car onthe dyno at no extra charge. Plus a demo on how to use the switch if needed.

Nick

send you a pm Nick about revo on  mine and the sps switch

[MK1Campaign]

I've never understood why so many people go with Revo when more suited custom maps are available for less money?

[Tamiyoman]

I've never understood why so many people go with Revo when more suited custom maps are available for less money?

4 Words answer that.

1. Sheep
2/3. Power claims
4. Adjustability

 

[RedRobin]

I've never understood why so many people go with Revo when more suited custom maps are available for less money?

...."Custom" maps? Have you read PDT's post I wonder?  

I'll make it easier for you:

Good debate this one, and a question I am asked daily is 'can you do custom maps and how is it better than a generic map?'


The explanation could go into 3+ pages but a general rule is that a generic map is a 1 size fits all product, suitable for a wide range of applications and is not and can not be adjusted by the end user. i.e bluefin or 'flash remaps'. Flash remaps are a simple procedure where you take the car to a 'tuner' ( I use the term tuner very loosely for this type of remap option) and they get an ID of your ECU type and software version and email it to a 3rd party that will copy and paste the changed settings that were made for a similar ECU and car into a file and send it back, this file is then flashed over your current software, you get the keys back and the 'tuner' hopes it doesnt have any problems. The worst type of flash tuning is usually carried out from a back of a van.

A custom map will be very different, the tuner will likely be making the software themselfes rather than sending it away to a 3rd party and the use of a dyno is essential for back to back testing and measuring, however the use of a dyno does not define a custom map, its just a very very handy tool to have to determine wether ther changes you have made are making any real difference to power, emmissions, torque and various other parameters. A dyno allows you to back to back test the effect of the customising of the map in a controlled and safe environment. I.e if you add ignition advance is it making extra power? Is that extra bit of fuel you have added at 3000 rpm at 80% throttle lowered the exhaust gas temps to a safer levels, or has it effected the power output in any way?    You get the idea, its time consuming and costly but you get the best end product available, not essesntial for the average stage 1 car but for motorsport or highly modded stuff its a must.

Then you get the middle ground such as REVO, which offers the best of both worlds. A simple sliding scale to adjust the boost, timing and fueling properties within the map and can be accurately adjusted with on-road datalogging to get a good end product. Yes it is custom to a certain extent but lacks the resolution of a genuine custom map as you can only adjust 3 parameters on a 2D sliding scale, no single adjustments for fuel vs throttle position for example, but for a quick easy product they are the market leaders for a very good reason.

As a guide, anyone that offers a 'full custom map' without the use of a dyno is cutting corners a little. Anyone that offers a custom map without any datalogging is either missinformed or pulling the wool over your eyes. We had a customer in yesterday that had a 'proper custom remap' (his words) that cost just £200 and was finished in just 10 mins, he was enquiring about rolling road testing as he couldnt tell the difference after it was done apart from it was jerky at low throttle, the 'tuner' said it will get better when the weather isnt so cold.

The thread is here:  http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,46071.msg532131.html#msg532131

And buy cheap, buy twice.

[Tamiyoman]

I've never understood why so many people go with Revo when more suited custom maps are available for less money?

...."Custom" maps? Have you read PDT's post I wonder?  

I'll make it easier for you:

Good debate this one, and a question I am asked daily is 'can you do custom maps and how is it better than a generic map?'


The explanation could go into 3+ pages but a general rule is that a generic map is a 1 size fits all product, suitable for a wide range of applications and is not and can not be adjusted by the end user. i.e bluefin or 'flash remaps'. Flash remaps are a simple procedure where you take the car to a 'tuner' ( I use the term tuner very loosely for this type of remap option) and they get an ID of your ECU type and software version and email it to a 3rd party that will copy and paste the changed settings that were made for a similar ECU and car into a file and send it back, this file is then flashed over your current software, you get the keys back and the 'tuner' hopes it doesnt have any problems. The worst type of flash tuning is usually carried out from a back of a van.

A custom map will be very different, the tuner will likely be making the software themselfes rather than sending it away to a 3rd party and the use of a dyno is essential for back to back testing and measuring, however the use of a dyno does not define a custom map, its just a very very handy tool to have to determine wether ther changes you have made are making any real difference to power, emmissions, torque and various other parameters. A dyno allows you to back to back test the effect of the customising of the map in a controlled and safe environment. I.e if you add ignition advance is it making extra power? Is that extra bit of fuel you have added at 3000 rpm at 80% throttle lowered the exhaust gas temps to a safer levels, or has it effected the power output in any way?    You get the idea, its time consuming and costly but you get the best end product available, not essesntial for the average stage 1 car but for motorsport or highly modded stuff its a must.

Then you get the middle ground such as REVO, which offers the best of both worlds. A simple sliding scale to adjust the boost, timing and fueling properties within the map and can be accurately adjusted with on-road datalogging to get a good end product. Yes it is custom to a certain extent but lacks the resolution of a genuine custom map as you can only adjust 3 parameters on a 2D sliding scale, no single adjustments for fuel vs throttle position for example, but for a quick easy product they are the market leaders for a very good reason.

As a guide, anyone that offers a 'full custom map' without the use of a dyno is cutting corners a little. Anyone that offers a custom map without any datalogging is either missinformed or pulling the wool over your eyes. We had a customer in yesterday that had a 'proper custom remap' (his words) that cost just £200 and was finished in just 10 mins, he was enquiring about rolling road testing as he couldnt tell the difference after it was done apart from it was jerky at low throttle, the 'tuner' said it will get better when the weather isnt so cold.

The thread is here:  http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,46071.msg532131.html#msg532131

And buy cheap, buy twice.

Yeah but Revo is not a custom map either  , plus I dont know how they justify the high price when they ripped the software from APR (so much for extensive R & D for Revo)  

Jabba, R-tech and Shark all offer Maps that are adjustable based on mods you have and how you drive, Linear (for smooth drivers), max power (for willy wavers) and punchy for those that like to feel themselves pressed against the seat back.

If your mainstream and like name dropping when talking about cars and want a big name and want to pay high prices then APR/Revo are deffo for you, if your not mainstream try something different, all the happy "Alternative" tuned car owners can't be wrong can they?  

[RedRobin]

Yeah but Revo is not a custom map either  , plus I dont know how they justify the high price when they ripped the software from APR (so much for extensive R & D for Revo)  

....My post didn't claim that Revo maps were custom. In fact they offer a separate service for custom maps. With regard to the court cases between APR and Revo, my understanding is that basically, the courts have decided that there isn't enough evidence of wrongdoing to hold Revo Technik liable for any monetary damages to APR. Furthermore, as they were dismissed with prejudice, the judge has summarily closed the case and told APR not to come back again. The legal claims by APR were started way back in 2003, so do you think that Revo are still using the same code without further development?

Jabba, R-tech and Shark all offer Maps that are adjustable based on mods you have and how you drive, Linear (for smooth drivers), max power (for willy wavers) and punchy for those that like to feel themselves pressed against the seat back.

....Revo maps are adjustable as well - Via a SPS box switchable by the car owner or by any appointed Revo dealer. The adjustable settings are Boost/Timing/Fuel - I have a long experience of adjusting the Revo maps on my car directly according to my changing hardware performance mods. Furthermore, as a direct result of Revo's adjustability I was able to nurse a leaking turbo until diagnosed and resolved (I wrote a thread on the subject).

The best, and fastest, way to drive ANY car regardless of which remap or if remapped at all, is smoothly. Changing the way you drive is not a safe way to drive - You should strive to maintain your best standards within the the limitations of your vehicle at all times.

If your mainstream and like name dropping when talking about cars and want a big name and want to pay high prices then APR/Revo are deffo for you, if your not mainstream try something different, all the happy "Alternative" tuned car owners can't be wrong can they?  

....I feel happier with an established mainstream tuner with a wide network of dealerships as backup. It adds to my peace of mind. I have Revo but my second choice would be APR. What completely puts me off Shark is Ben's inclination to rubbish his rivals whenever I see him. I am proud to pose Revo stickers on my car:



Over 60,000 miles on Revo 

[Upperoilcan]

I have a Stage 1 R-Tech map and cannot fault it,completly transforms the car from standard...

The car has been mapped now for close to 2 yrs and ive had no probelems what so ever.

Nick and the guys offer a great service for a great price.

[R32UK]

I would love to get an r-tech map, but would like someway of being able to switch back to stock if required 

[Upperoilcan]

I would love to get an r-tech map, but would like someway of being able to switch back to stock if required  

Believe me mate,after having the car mapped the last thing you would want to do is put it back to standard..

An if you were to sell your car and wanted to put it back to standard it would just be a case of getting it flashed.

[nezquick]

I would love to get an r-tech map, but would like someway of being able to switch back to stock if required 

Believe me mate,after having the car mapped the last thing you would want to do is put it back to standard..

An if you were to sell your car and wanted to put it back to standard it would just be a case of getting flashed.

i can see his point especially if your taking it for a service or letting someone else drive.. e.g. i would let my mrs drive it stock but not mapped as she has no experience of driving something over a 1.6 and id feel like she might not be able to.control it or reqlise how quick it could accel...

my ideal would be two.maps changeable one for mpg and the other for fun (i.e. speedy fun)

[RedRobin]

my ideal would be two.maps changeable one for mpg and the other for fun (i.e. speedy fun)

....That's one of the benefits of DSG  Except that I only use D-mode in urban speed limit areas.

I think that APR offer this via the stalk and Revo via their latest SPS box (far less convenient to change) < Don't take this as 100% true though.

[Tamiyoman]

my ideal would be two.maps changeable one for mpg and the other for fun (i.e. speedy fun)

....That's one of the benefits of DSG   Except that I only use D-mode in urban speed limit areas.

I think that APR offer this via the stalk and Revo via their latest SPS box (far less convenient to change) < Don't take this as 100% true though.

100% agree, D is for pootling around (which I do mostly) and S is for leaving some tool sat on your rear bumper in a Focus ST behind   (It seems all Focus St drivers believe their cars are quick for some reason  )

P.S. is this the second thing we have agreed on Robin? 

[RedRobin]

P.S. is this the second thing we have agreed on Robin? 

....It might even be the third thing we have agreed on, mate 

But I'm still not going to share a room with you! Though I do hope we may meet each other one day 

Myself, and many others, used to have furious forum disagreements with a guy called Teutonic_Tamer but whenever we met in person we were like the very best of friends. It was simply a Respect thingy.

[Tamiyoman]

P.S. is this the second thing we have agreed on Robin? 

....It might even be the third thing we have agreed on, mate 

But I'm still not going to share a room with you! Though I do hope we may meet each other one day 

Myself, and many others, used to have furious forum disagreements with a guy called Teutonic_Tamer but whenever we met in person we were like the very best of friends. It was simply a Respect thingy.

I think your right!.

Yeah its all good having your own point and hammering at it, but when your face to face with someone its easier to say "agree to disagree" then start talking cars over a pint 

[james]

with nick at r-tech, you could ask him to put a standard map on a cd or pen drive.   Then buy a tool from ebay and flash it with laptop?