Whats the Milltek hype all about??

[dodds-gttdi]

I was stumped why you seemed to be getting such high prices for Milltek Exhausts, then I looked at a pricelist fom Autohaus Edinburgh.

http://www.autohausedinburgh.co.uk/docs/milltek_vw_price_list.pdf

The prices are slightly out of date (I think) as the VAT is still at 17.5% but here's the reason for the high prices:

Diesel Large Bore Downpipe    = £182
Diesel Cat Back Exhaust GT80 = £525
                                 Total = £707

GTI Downppipe with Hi flow cat = £711
Cat back GTI non-res twin exit  = £453
                                  Total = £1164!!

I've come to only one conclusion: Buy a Diesel Car!! 

[RedRobin]

Why are they so expensive, do you get a sports cat with it?Is it from the turbo back ie includes a freer flowing elbow?

There's no way I would pay £1000 for an exhaust.Just go to a respected exhaust builder and tell them exactly what you want.You can pick how many boxes you want and the type & size of them so control the noise that way.

I used to have a 2.5" on my car with a 3" Janspeed downpipe.I had the rest of the system made in 3" with 2 silencers and a smallish back box, costing around £450.
It was quieter on this setup than the last and immediately highlighted how much back pressure the old system was causing as the car immediately spooled quicker and pulled harder.

It's not like Miltek will have some magic formula for the exhaust, chances are they will follow the same path as the original, just with mandrel bends and decent silencers.

....Fine if you prefer cheaper self designed systems. There's more to a Milltek exhaust than just noise. Chances are (to use your words) that you don't know.

[Powervalve Nige]

Thanks for all of the positive feed back from members who have actually purchased or listened to our systems.
For the record we are a small company specialising mainly in VAG and Ford plat formed cars.
Our size allowing us to go to the nth degree when developing our products with you the enthusiast in mind.
As a Mk5 lover and owner myself I have had the privilege of pouring months of development into a range of three systems designed to offer something for everyone's requirements, including my own - hence our new 'Powervalve' range.
Please do not interpret this as an advert, or a promotion - merely correcting the view that our systems maybe perceived as being only suited for those who want loud exhausts.

In closing I would really love the opportunity to get together a group of owners with different systems fitted to demonstrate the merits of all the manufacturers products at one time, as just in our choice of clothes what appeals to one consumer will often vary from person to person.
Ultimately the main thing is customer satisfaction, and no matter who makes the system if the choice made results in a happy and satisfied customer when all things are considered then the manufacturer has succeeded in his goal.
Cheers
Nige
 

[Tamiyoman]

Thanks for all of the positive feed back from members who have actually purchased or listened to our systems.
For the record we are a small company specialising mainly in VAG and Ford plat formed cars.
Our size allowing us to go to the nth degree when developing our products with you the enthusiast in mind.
As a Mk5 lover and owner myself I have had the privilege of pouring months of development into a range of three systems designed to offer something for everyone's requirements, including my own - hence our new 'Powervalve' range.
Please do not interpret this as an advert, or a promotion - merely correcting the view that our systems maybe perceived as being only suited for those who want loud exhausts.

In closing I would really love the opportunity to get together a group of owners with different systems fitted to demonstrate the merits of all the manufacturers products at one time, as just in our choice of clothes what appeals to one consumer will often vary from person to person.
Ultimately the main thing is customer satisfaction, and no matter who makes the system if the choice made results in a happy and satisfied customer when all things are considered then the manufacturer has succeeded in his goal.
Cheers
Nige
 

Nicely put Nige  , having heard the "Powervalve" system myself 4 weeks ago and yesterday booked in for fitting of the Powervalve TBE system (Its nice and quiet off boost and "Sporty" when flooring it which is exactly what I wanted!) now I have to bear the next 3 weeks until I can get "Up North" to have mine fitted  .

I think its a great Idea to compare the systems on their individual merits, costs and performance gains from the various players below (Forgive me if i missed anyone)

BCS
Milltek
Apr Rsc
Blueflame
Scorpion
Jetex

[skiddusmarkus]

....Fine if you prefer cheaper self designed systems. There's more to a Milltek exhaust than just noise. Chances are (to use your words) that you don't know.

I don't know, that's why I asked.

It's not a case of just preferring the cheapest option.I like value for money and quality equally.

[RedRobin]

It's not a case of just preferring the cheapest option. I like value for money and quality equally.

....When someone uses the term 'good value for money' it's usually because the product is cheaper than would be expected. I guess that most folks want to pay as little as they possibly can for every single item they spend money on, just not only motor industry products. Personally, although I'm not as wealthy as many people think, I always put quality first.

[Tamiyoman]

It's not a case of just preferring the cheapest option. I like value for money and quality equally.

....When someone uses the term 'good value for money' it's usually because the product is cheaper than would be expected. I guess that most folks want to pay as little as they possibly can for every single item they spend money on, just not only motor industry products. Personally, although I'm not as wealthy as many people think, I always put quality first.

Yes but quality does not cost money, its usually the name that costs money.

2 Items made in same way from same materials, one sold under large well known name= high price, other sold under not so well known name= lower price.

Paying twice as much does not guarantee quality it only guarantees your paying for a well known company making it.

[RedRobin]

Yes but quality does not cost money, its usually the name that costs money.

2 Items made in same way from same materials, one sold under large well known name= high price, other sold under not so well known name= lower price.

Paying twice as much does not guarantee quality it only guarantees your paying for a well known company making it.

.... When you decide to buy a brand it's because of what that particular brand represents across a whole range of considerations. You seem to have a problem with a brand just because they are successful and because they may be more expensive.

Anyway, each to their own and it's an open market - Buy whatever suits you. 

[Tamiyoman]

I have an issue with brands as thats what they are just a "Brand" and you pay accordingly.  

I dont have a specific issue with the "Big Boys" in the tuning industry, only I disagree with their business practices of taking out the smaller companies or amalgamating them into their own, swapping and changing about ultimately to generate more business for themselves (Awesome GTI) or buying other companies products an sticking a label on it and calling it something else to squeeze more money out of people (APR/VWR) and paying for a name is a no go for me (Forge).

Its like Sony, Samsung, LG,  Panasonic TV'S etc, most TV components are made in one of 2/3 factories, they are then shipped for assembly and costs vary depending on "brand", essentially your getting the same TV internals in different boxes and at vastly differing prices, why?, you pay for the name/perceived quality.

Its the same in the tuning industry, only takes 1 man to crack an ECU code and to license it/sell the knowledge to different companies and they then make 1 or 10 differences to it based on what competitors are doing, same thing different prices, why are prices higher than others for essentially the same thing?,  more aggressive marketing?, buy outs/mergers?, happy to pay for the name?, percdeived quality or all of the above?.

Each to their own I guess, for me tho, I personally ignore the big boys and support the smaller companies that breed competition and hopefully keep prices in check, if the smaller companies did not exist Do you think the big boys prices won't go up?

Anyway back on point, Milltek- could I have bought one, Yes, did I?, No, Why?, Cracking issues (Which I know they fix under their guarantee, but if they are that good/quality should they crack?), Just a profit margin rather than valued customer, another reason not to own one = everyone else has one  

[skiddusmarkus]

It's not a case of just preferring the cheapest option. I like value for money and quality equally.

....When someone uses the term 'good value for money' it's usually because the product is cheaper than would be expected. I guess that most folks want to pay as little as they possibly can for every single item they spend money on, just not only motor industry products. Personally, although I'm not as wealthy as many people think, I always put quality first.

Perhaps for some, not in my case though.For me value for money is something where I can see its worth what's being charged.I can see where the effort has been made and the materials used.

I'm not rich but have had quite a few bespoke items made and engineering work done and have genreally thought it was good value for money, although not necessarily cheap.

I certainly wasn't trying to put Miltek down, I was asking why they were the price they were.

[RedRobin]

I have an issue with brands as thats what they are just a "Brand" and you pay accordingly. 

....Much as i respect your views and opinions, I could enter into a long debate about the definition of brands, but it would take us way off topic. 

[berg]

I have heard bad things about Milltek other than the cracking issue but this would purely be speculation/gossip mongering to post them on a public forum and the moderator would rightly remove them. Also, I have no experience of their products personally so cannot base any opinion of my own,  I highly respect the opinions of people like Red Robin, Top Cat etc and understand plenty of people rate them.

I do think it is easy to get swept up though with the biggest is best and people should look around before parting with their hard earned but the same can be said of all products/services.

[Tamiyoman]

I have an issue with brands as thats what they are just a "Brand" and you pay accordingly. 

....Much as i respect your views and opinions, I could enter into a long debate about the definition of brands, but it would take us way off topic. 

As i duly respect your opinions Robin 

[Tamiyoman]

I do think it is easy to get swept up though with the biggest is best and people should look around before parting with their hard earned but the same can be said of all products/services.

Yup dont be s sheep, make up your own mind based on your own research or first hand experiences and then choose accordingly