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Re: Blocking Piratebay - this is totally unacceptable...
« Reply #15 on: May 03, 2012, 03:25:42 pm »
Just like when Napster went down and others rose up eg kazza/limewire/frostwire etc, the same thing will happen.

IMO it's like when the music industry claimed people copying music on cassette tapes would kill the industry. It didn't. Neither will pirating. The people who want to circumvent will do so and will find ways to do it without being detected. They never wanted to pay in the first place so will continue not to do so.


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Re: Blocking Piratebay - this is totally unacceptable...
« Reply #16 on: May 03, 2012, 04:09:37 pm »
Just like when Napster went down and others rose up eg kazza/limewire/frostwire etc, the same thing will happen.

IMO it's like when the music industry claimed people copying music on cassette tapes would kill the industry. It didn't. Neither will pirating. The people who want to circumvent will do so and will find ways to do it without being detected. They never wanted to pay in the first place so will continue not to do so.



I thought it was piratebay that had their servers in Sweden where file sharing was not illegal?, altho I might be confusing it with another one?, hence they cannot be stopped so have to resort to blocking the site from USP's, its' the Americans that kick up the most fuss about it and you should see some of the letters the Yanks send to them and the replies they send back, the yanks quote American law and the swedes reply back with "we are not in USA, fook off", some of them are v. funny to read, I know its illegal in some countries but not in all countries!.

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Re: Blocking Piratebay - this is totally unacceptable...
« Reply #17 on: May 03, 2012, 04:10:17 pm »
Just like when Napster went down and others rose up eg kazza/limewire/frostwire etc, the same thing will happen.

IMO it's like when the music industry claimed people copying music on cassette tapes would kill the industry. It didn't. Neither will pirating. The people who want to circumvent will do so and will find ways to do it without being detected. They never wanted to pay in the first place so will continue not to do so.



that is not nail on head at all - you're still TOTALLY missing the point.

Napster was doing something illegal. it was closed. that is fair process.

this is a case of a website being blocked. the act of looking on the website is not illegal. using the website is not inherently illegal, unless you participate in certain activities which the website itself does not force upon you.

the fact that others will pop up in it's place is also completely irrelevant.

the government is violating our civil liberties by blocking a website. provided that the content of the website is not illegal (and considering that Piratebay doesn't host material itself it doesn't have illegal content) then they have no right to block it. that's ALL this is concerned with. not the legalities downloading copyrighted things, nor a question of being inconvenienced by having to look elsewhere.

does it not concern you that you will not be allowed to view a website, when the act of viewing this website is not inherently illegal? and do you not understand the consequences of being monitored, our privacy invaded and being told what we can and cannot see? this is the first step in that direction and that's what i'm concerned with.
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Re: Blocking Piratebay - this is totally unacceptable...
« Reply #18 on: May 03, 2012, 04:14:25 pm »
Just like when Napster went down and others rose up eg kazza/limewire/frostwire etc, the same thing will happen.

IMO it's like when the music industry claimed people copying music on cassette tapes would kill the industry. It didn't. Neither will pirating. The people who want to circumvent will do so and will find ways to do it without being detected. They never wanted to pay in the first place so will continue not to do so.



that is not nail on head at all - you're still TOTALLY missing the point.

Napster was doing something illegal. it was closed. that is fair process.

this is a case of a website being blocked. the act of looking on the website is not illegal. using the website is not inherently illegal, unless you participate in certain activities which the website itself does not force upon you.

the fact that others will pop up in it's place is also completely irrelevant.

the government is violating our civil liberties by blocking a website. provided that the content of the website is not illegal (and considering that Piratebay doesn't host material itself it doesn't have illegal content) then they have no right to block it. that's ALL this is concerned with. not the legalities downloading copyrighted things, nor a question of being inconvenienced by having to look elsewhere.

does it not concern you that you will not be allowed to view a website, when the act of viewing this website is not inherently illegal? and do you not understand the consequences of being monitored, our privacy invaded and being told what we can and cannot see? this is the first step in that direction and that's what i'm concerned with.

When I lived in Singapore, they used to block all Porn sites from ALL ISP's so you could not view porn, this just meant there was a massive black market for porn DVD's, one door closes another opens, there were also computer programs you could buy (From Malaysia) that would circumvent the blocks anway if you wanted.
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Re: Blocking Piratebay - this is totally unacceptable...
« Reply #19 on: May 03, 2012, 04:19:34 pm »
The Government/big brother/martians can look into anything they like about me. I haven't got anything to hide, nor can i stop anyone who is determined to do it.  

Unless of course i live in an underground bunker, swallow my sim card and do squat jogs for the rest of my life  :evilgrin:

But seriously until they start putting live streaming cameras in my toilet, which stops me having a sh*t in peace, then i aint going to worry about not being able to access a website. I'll just go look at one i can.

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Re: Blocking Piratebay - this is totally unacceptable...
« Reply #20 on: May 03, 2012, 04:30:39 pm »

They will probably only block this webiste because Robin pollutes it too much with pictures  :grin:


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Re: Blocking Piratebay - this is totally unacceptable...
« Reply #21 on: May 03, 2012, 04:38:46 pm »
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Whereas I totally agree about banning paedo web sites, I believe that the internet should remain a free and frontier-less medium as it was originally intended. For every harmful occurence via the hyperinterwebbynet, there are many more good occurences.

I think that authority feels threatened by the free voices of the people, both nationally and internationally, and they are after every single opportunity to take money from us.

Free access and freedom is what it's all about. Now, where's my bookmarks folder of favourite porn sites  :evilgrin:


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Re: Blocking Piratebay - this is totally unacceptable...
« Reply #22 on: May 03, 2012, 04:45:36 pm »
Sub, you should be more worried about the invasion of the GMC in your private life than what govts are doing with ISP blocking. Bear in mind you need to be above reproach and hence shouldn't be looking at dodgy websites. Doctors have gone down for things in their private life in the past.

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Re: Blocking Piratebay - this is totally unacceptable...
« Reply #23 on: May 03, 2012, 04:51:20 pm »

Sub, you should be more worried about the invasion of the GMC in your private life than what govts are doing with ISP blocking. Bear in mind you need to be above reproach and hence shouldn't be looking at dodgy websites. Doctors have gone down for things in their private life in the past.


....Isn't this partly why the medical establishment are so self protective and private about some of their practices.


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Re: Blocking Piratebay - this is totally unacceptable...
« Reply #24 on: May 03, 2012, 04:52:17 pm »
Just like when Napster went down and others rose up eg kazza/limewire/frostwire etc, the same thing will happen.

IMO it's like when the music industry claimed people copying music on cassette tapes would kill the industry. It didn't. Neither will pirating. The people who want to circumvent will do so and will find ways to do it without being detected. They never wanted to pay in the first place so will continue not to do so.



that is not nail on head at all - you're still TOTALLY missing the point.

Napster was doing something illegal. it was closed. that is fair process.

this is a case of a website being blocked. the act of looking on the website is not illegal. using the website is not inherently illegal, unless you participate in certain activities which the website itself does not force upon you.

the fact that others will pop up in it's place is also completely irrelevant.

the government is violating our civil liberties by blocking a website. provided that the content of the website is not illegal (and considering that Piratebay doesn't host material itself it doesn't have illegal content) then they have no right to block it. that's ALL this is concerned with. not the legalities downloading copyrighted things, nor a question of being inconvenienced by having to look elsewhere.

does it not concern you that you will not be allowed to view a website, when the act of viewing this website is not inherently illegal? and do you not understand the consequences of being monitored, our privacy invaded and being told what we can and cannot see? this is the first step in that direction and that's what i'm concerned with.

No, I get your point - im just disagreeing with it - the point of the matter is that there's no point getting worked up or worried about anything because what you're saying will never happen. The internet will never be censored. The people who are hugely intelligent will always provide new ways of viewing, streaming, sharing, downloading so that you or I do not need to worry about censorship or websites being banned.

You're forgetting that the large majority of what - went on with pirate bay was illegal and you could argue, like many people, that the owners of the domain and the website did not keep strict enough control on the content of the website and therefore should be shut down for allowing millions and millions of losses to occur solely because of the website. Im not going to say I don't download etc etc but lets imagine you invent a software and charge £15.00 and then you look at your bank statement one day and realise you've lost thousands and thousands of pounds because someone has uploaded it to pirate bay you'd be pretty f*cked off and you can't say you wouldn't be - you are in the literal sense being stolen from.

stealthwolf did hit the nail as he rightly said when napster - and were talking about the original napster was closed down it was relaunched under different names etc and if anything turned out better! His also right in saying even if they do close down a few more file sharing website like pirate bay - how long do you think it will be before there uploaded - even if they block a few websites - how long do you think it will be before you find out that you can use a proxy to go on that website.

Its like watching family guy and american dad online - I've seen so many websites come and go that are run by the same people uploading the same template and same layout. I could argue that I'm not actually committing any illegal activity by visiting the site, only if I choose to stream it but then the website still provides a means to commit that offence so why it fair to allow it to stay live when its costing a company, someone or people that have worked hard to produce and develop those shows and want to enjoy the money they make from their hard labour?

what your saying is nothing new, closing down websites has been going on for ages, internet monitoring has been going on for longer - every time you do anything its recorded, you leave your finger print everywhere you go - look at google - personalising ad's to your browsing habbits - for example if you go on this website and other websites all the time you'll notice halfords adverts etc etc

I am neither agreeing or disagreeing with the fact that websites are being shut down because they are or are not illegal and do or do not provide access to illegal activites - I would be a Hippocratic person to say that they should all be closed down when I use certain websites to stream online programmes etc

But in conjunction to your main point - no I am not worried, and neither should you - like already mentioned the government will never be able to actually censor the internet and prevent you from watching or doing what you want - but ill also say there should be a degree of censorship on the more serious and sick side of the internet such as child porn and other disturbing videos.





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Re: Blocking Piratebay - this is totally unacceptable...
« Reply #25 on: May 03, 2012, 04:55:35 pm »
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Yeah, it's like smuggling (no, not peanuts you perverts!) - It will continue while human beings continue to exist and the same applies to prostitution. Human ingenuity will always find a way to beat a system  :congrats:. It's a game.


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Re: Blocking Piratebay - this is totally unacceptable...
« Reply #26 on: May 03, 2012, 04:58:21 pm »
Robin.. is there a reason for
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Yeah, it's like smuggling (no, not peanuts you perverts!) - It will continue while human beings continue to exist and the same applies to prostitution. Human ingenuity will always find a way to beat a system  :congrats:. It's a game.

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« Reply #27 on: May 03, 2012, 04:59:13 pm »
A little exctractayyyyyyyyyyyyy:

Internet censorship in the United Kingdom takes various forms, including blocking access to sites, and laws that criminalise publication or possession of certain material, particularly child pornography, within the United Kingdom. The U.K. has a notable libertarian tradition, manifested by, among other things, solid guarantees of freedom of expression, freedom of information, and protection of privacy. Freedom of expression and protection of privacy over the Internet is guaranteed by law. Nonetheless, over the last few years there has been a shift toward increased surveillance and police measures. Combating terrorism and preventing child abuse have been widely used by state agencies and private commercial actors (e.g., Internet service providers) to justify the implementation of interception and direct filtering measures. Never the less in 2010 the OpenNet Initiative found no evidence of technical filtering in the political, social, conflict/security, or Internet tools areas. However, the U.K. openly blocks child pornography Web sites, for which ONI does not test.

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Re: Blocking Piratebay - this is totally unacceptable...
« Reply #28 on: May 03, 2012, 05:00:27 pm »
....Isn't this partly why the medical establishment are so self protective and private about some of their practices.
It's not their practices that's the issue. I'm more than happy for my medical practise to be scrutinised. What I don't want is GMC interfering with my private/home life. It's nothing to do with them. Unfortunately it seems that the GMC want to know what you're up to. There's even talk of monitoring medical students at uni which IMO is a bit OTT given the rest of the student population.


EDIT: I'm also against general Big Brother-ism. I don't mean the crappy show. I'm talking about Orwell's 1984 stuff. I agree with banning some horrific practices but blocking websites is nothing new or different. They can block TPB all they want. There are already multitudes of grabbing stuff and TBH if you're still using TPB, you're a dozy git IMO.
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Re: Blocking Piratebay - this is totally unacceptable...
« Reply #29 on: May 03, 2012, 05:02:28 pm »
Robin.. is there a reason for
^^^^
Yeah, it's like smuggling (no, not peanuts you perverts!) - It will continue while human beings continue to exist and the same applies to prostitution. Human ingenuity will always find a way to beat a system  :congrats:. It's a game.


is that why you have a fast car with a big boot? :signLOL:


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