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Re: Disaster :@
« Reply #75 on: May 22, 2012, 03:47:29 pm »
Are you sure its not oil fuel mix washing your pistons like I said, and a bad fuel pump issue like I said? Have they removed it alone with its cam follower?

I'm confused and have no idea what you are saying here Steve.

Are you suggesting that the fuel is mixing with the oil in the sump and this is washing down the walls of the cylinders or do you mean because the engine is over-fuelling that the cylinder walls are being washed down and also producing large amounts of smoke?

If the former then you should see the oil level creeping up the dipstick if the later then a compression test should be enough.

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Re: Disaster :@
« Reply #76 on: May 22, 2012, 04:52:27 pm »
Are you sure its not oil fuel mix washing your pistons like I said, and a bad fuel pump issue like I said? Have they removed it alone with its cam follower?

I'm confused and have no idea what you are saying here Steve.

Are you suggesting that the fuel is mixing with the oil in the sump and this is washing down the walls of the cylinders or do you mean because the engine is over-fuelling that the cylinder walls are being washed down and also producing large amounts of smoke?

If the former then you should see the oil level creeping up the dipstick if the later then a compression test should be enough.


I done a compression test which resulted on all cylinders being the same pressure, What else could it be, I am still to check fuel pump, overfueeling can cause smoke? Or too much engine oil in the engine?
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Re: Disaster :@
« Reply #77 on: May 22, 2012, 04:58:50 pm »
I had a compression test done and all was ok with mine, I had a cylinder leakdown test aswell and that was ok also
If I recall it might have been something to do with the scraper rings not pulling the oil back off the cylinder walls

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Re: Disaster :@
« Reply #78 on: May 22, 2012, 05:00:06 pm »
If your fuel pump was fubar'd then it leaks fuel into the sump and the oil level rises on the dipstick.

When injecting fuel the ECU tells the injector how long to stay open for the given load, rpm and loads more parameters. In you case the hole is bigger so that time will allow much more fuel in than a K03 injector.

The easy way to tell is check the long term fuel trims with VCDS which I believe someone already suggested elsewhere.  :happy2:

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Re: Disaster :@
« Reply #79 on: May 22, 2012, 05:03:28 pm »
If your fuel pump was fubar'd then it leaks fuel into the sump and the oil level rises on the dipstick.

When injecting fuel the ECU tells the injector how long to stay open for the given load, rpm and loads more parameters. In you case the hole is bigger so that time will allow much more fuel in than a K03 injector.

The easy way to tell is check the long term fuel trims with VCDS which I believe someone already suggested elsewhere.  :happy2:

The lamdba would regulate the fuelling to suit though surely. same as running a HPFP on a standard map?

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Re: Disaster :@
« Reply #80 on: May 22, 2012, 05:03:53 pm »
I had a compression test done and all was ok with mine, I had a cylinder leakdown test aswell and that was ok also
If I recall it might have been something to do with the scraper rings not pulling the oil back off the cylinder walls

So your problem was engine based which caused you to strip it all out?
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Re: Disaster :@
« Reply #81 on: May 22, 2012, 05:05:46 pm »

When injecting fuel the ECU tells the injector how long to stay open for the given load, rpm and loads more parameters. In you case the hole is bigger so that time will allow much more fuel in than a K03 injector.


So all the smoke could be unburnt fuel due to wrong map? I need a explanatin about the sparg plug from cylinder 2 getting coated with fuel must be the overfuelling
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Re: Disaster :@
« Reply #82 on: May 22, 2012, 05:50:38 pm »
The lamdba would regulate the fuelling to suit though surely. same as running a HPFP on a standard map?

Perhaps it can't if there is too much fuel. I may be wrong here but fuel trim can only go so far.

Anyone remember Illyun's Ed30 that had the wrong high pressure sensor fitted at the factory. Fuel trim baled him out so far but when pushed could only alter it so much.

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Re: Disaster :@
« Reply #83 on: May 22, 2012, 05:53:39 pm »
So all the smoke could be unburnt fuel due to wrong map? I need a explanatin about the sparg plug from cylinder 2 getting coated with fuel must be the overfuelling

Rather than asking for explanations of plugs coated in fuel stop driving the car and take it to a VAG specialist.
Rather than us sit here and speculate around which part of your engine you have fooked get it looked at by someone who knows what they are talking about and can give you a get well plan.

Failing that have the old injectors replaced.

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Re: Disaster :@
« Reply #84 on: May 22, 2012, 05:58:42 pm »
So all the smoke could be unburnt fuel due to wrong map? I need a explanatin about the sparg plug from cylinder 2 getting coated with fuel must be the overfuelling

Rather than asking for explanations of plugs coated in fuel stop driving the car and take it to a VAG specialist.
Rather than us sit here and speculate around which part of your engine you have fooked get it looked at by someone who knows what they are talking about and can give you a get well plan.

Failing that have the old injectors replaced.

Thats what I am doing? I am taking it and trying different things and coming back to see what people say. The garage I take it to they are VAG specialists, They do mainly german cars and do alot of tuning on jap cars, But otherwise they have their hands are on Vw, audis, skodas etc and have a ex dealer mechanc too whos not in
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Re: Disaster :@
« Reply #85 on: May 22, 2012, 06:23:21 pm »
Fuel mixed with oil ian will pass the piston and oil scraper ring really easy, and would cause possible uniform oily plugs . Knowing the history of theses fuel pumps on these earlier model cars is the reason I'm drawn to my conclusion. As an engineer in past times. That is why my theory is drawn to that.

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Re: Disaster :@
« Reply #86 on: May 22, 2012, 06:27:24 pm »
Are you still driving it?  :confused:

 I'd follow Hedge's advice If I were you, and get it to a VAG specialist with a good reputation on this forum, leave it there and get them to find out what it is and fix it. Driving it is surely causing more problems?

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« Reply #87 on: May 22, 2012, 07:33:03 pm »
Good point  :happy2: You think just setting B/T/F to zero would be enough to avoid Sammy's situation?

I had asked Revo Kev in the past if the stock (vs performance) sps setting did anything with a stage 3 map and he responded positively saying everything would be turned down. I assumed from his response that the stock setting would equate to a standard ed30. I would confirm this with revo though before attempting this.

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Re: Disaster :@
« Reply #88 on: May 22, 2012, 09:31:15 pm »
So all the smoke could be unburnt fuel due to wrong map? I need a explanatin about the sparg plug from cylinder 2 getting coated with fuel must be the overfuelling

Rather than asking for explanations of plugs coated in fuel stop driving the car and take it to a VAG specialist.
Rather than us sit here and speculate around which part of your engine you have fooked get it looked at by someone who knows what they are talking about and can give you a get well plan.

Failing that have the old injectors replaced.

Thats what I am doing? I am taking it and trying different things and coming back to see what people say. The garage I take it to they are VAG specialists, They do mainly german cars and do alot of tuning on jap cars, But otherwise they have their hands are on Vw, audis, skodas etc and have a ex dealer mechanc too whos not in

If You will pick good VAG specialist You will not have to ask so many questions here as problem and solution will be explained by them to You, as You said they do not have experience on TFSI so how they can know what they doing ??

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Re: Disaster :@
« Reply #89 on: May 22, 2012, 11:12:48 pm »
So all the smoke could be unburnt fuel due to wrong map? I need a explanatin about the sparg plug from cylinder 2 getting coated with fuel must be the overfuelling

Rather than asking for explanations of plugs coated in fuel stop driving the car and take it to a VAG specialist.
Rather than us sit here and speculate around which part of your engine you have fooked get it looked at by someone who knows what they are talking about and can give you a get well plan.

Failing that have the old injectors replaced.

Thats what I am doing? I am taking it and trying different things and coming back to see what people say. The garage I take it to they are VAG specialists, They do mainly german cars and do alot of tuning on jap cars, But otherwise they have their hands are on Vw, audis, skodas etc and have a ex dealer mechanc too whos not in

If You will pick good VAG specialist You will not have to ask so many questions here as problem and solution will be explained by them to You, as You said they do not have experience on TFSI so how they can know what they doing ??

A TFSI is not a alien engine is almost the same as others, your talking like its some complicated machine its not, I said they work on loads of VW's and audis so it is in good hands there, What can go wrong if they will make sure the car is running and wll not charge me more then quoted as they have pointed out the problem to me
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