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Re: UNIbraces XB & UB - Review (UPDATED 15th June)....
« Reply #75 on: June 17, 2012, 05:58:53 pm »
If anyone near dorset want me to check your car for XB fitment, then happy to meet up...
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Re: UNIbraces XB & UB - Review (UPDATED 15th June)....
« Reply #76 on: June 17, 2012, 06:13:04 pm »

Bruce do you have to cut the carpet so that the XB lies directly on the metal of the car body or can you leave the carpet to act like a "washer" between the nutsert and XB?


....You can just cut a hole in the carpet for the Allen bolt to pass through into the nutsert. The carpet gets squashed out of the way - As a 'washer' but an insignificant one.


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Re: UNIbraces XB & UB - Review (UPDATED 15th June)....
« Reply #77 on: June 17, 2012, 06:18:28 pm »
Robin, have you had both together on yet? :-)
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Re: UNIbraces XB & UB - Review (UPDATED 15th June)....
« Reply #78 on: June 17, 2012, 07:50:24 pm »

Robin, have you had both together on yet? :-)


....Yes, I refitted the XB this afternoon and went out on my usual roller-coaster test route but there was too much traffic so I turned back after 5 miles as I wasn't getting the opportunity to push it (feckin tourists driving close together at 45 mph looking at the Jurassic coast views rather than the road!). UB+XB feels very solid! But in a good way. I'll post more after I've had a proper test drive.


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Re: UNIbraces XB & UB - Review (UPDATED 15th June)....
« Reply #79 on: June 17, 2012, 08:24:22 pm »
bacillus: Robin answered your question: the carpet does act as a washer. If you look at the instructions, after installing the nutserts you replace the carpet, find the nutsert locations and drill through the carpet. You can then install the UNIbrace XB:happy2:

Which makes the whole install look extremely tidy... :happy2:
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Re: UNIbraces XB & UB - Review (UPDATED 15th June)....
« Reply #80 on: June 17, 2012, 09:50:55 pm »

bacillus: Robin answered your question: the carpet does act as a washer. If you look at the instructions, after installing the nutserts you replace the carpet, find the nutsert locations and drill through the carpet. You can then install the UNIbrace XB.  :happy2:


Which makes the whole install look extremely tidy... :happy2:


....Indeed the finished result does look very neat and tidy. Even when the XB is removed, if you screw the Allen bolts back into the nutserts through the carpet holes, it looks tidy and masks the carpet hole cuts.

However, it's more of a 10 minute job than a 5 minute job to take the XB in and out because the Allen bolts are quite long < Another good feature.  :happy2:


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Re: UNIbraces XB & UB - Review (UPDATED 18th June)....
« Reply #81 on: June 18, 2012, 08:57:51 pm »
Robin,

Think you've done a super job on these reviews... but tell me, for your car... are you happy, impressed, glad you took the gamble?  :party:

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Re: UNIbraces XB & UB - Review (UPDATED 18th June)....
« Reply #82 on: June 18, 2012, 09:56:05 pm »
Robin,

Think you've done a super job on these reviews... but tell me, for your car... are you happy, impressed, glad you took the gamble?  :party:

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....Thanks to you, yes! Extremely happy indeed. The difference since fitting UNIbraces is equivalent to fitting a Quaife diff - Something which totally transforms the whole car  :notworthy:


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Re: UNIbraces XB & UB - Review (UPDATED 18th June)....
« Reply #83 on: June 18, 2012, 10:17:44 pm »
The difference since fitting UNIbraces is equivalent to fitting a Quaife diff - Something which totally transforms the whole car  :notworthy:

And about half the cost...   :smiley:
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Re: UNIbraces XB & UB - Review (UPDATED 18th June)....
« Reply #84 on: June 18, 2012, 11:00:43 pm »
Whilst it's interesting to read the subjective analysis, and credit for the comprehensive write-up, it'd be interesting to know if anyone in the UK or across the pond performed an objective assesment of the braces?

The usual DIY approach is to mount a laser pointer on a rear turret and aim the laser at a jury rigged board in the front of the car. You then jack up the car to a known height, once with and once without the stiffening device, noting where the laser beam hits the board when at ride height and the two jacked scenarios. Obviously this technique will only provide a relative comparison, but it's not a bad approach for DIY.

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Re: UNIbraces XB & UB - Review (UPDATED 18th June)....
« Reply #85 on: June 18, 2012, 11:20:57 pm »

Whilst it's interesting to read the subjective analysis, and credit for the comprehensive write-up, it'd be interesting to know if anyone in the UK or across the pond performed an objective assesment of the braces?

The usual DIY approach is to mount a laser pointer on a rear turret and aim the laser at a jury rigged board in the front of the car. You then jack up the car to a known height, once with and once without the stiffening device, noting where the laser beam hits the board when at ride height and the two jacked scenarios. Obviously this technique will only provide a relative comparison, but it's not a bad approach for DIY.


....Certainly I've been very aware that what I have written is not only very subjective but is totally unscientific. I could not possibly measure exactly what's going on without both the scientific equipment and also the knowledge how to use it. Also, my review and impressions are written in the context of the mods which my individual car already has.

However, the bottom line is not necessarily the science but more importantly the difference which UNIbraces make to the FEEL of the drive.

I emphasise that my comparisons with a Quaife are only that of degree of change following the mod - That's why I used the word "equivalent". What a diff does and what the UNIbraces do are quite different but the degree of change is similar. Both mods transform the car's handling experience to a similar degree. Which way you wish to transform your car is always up to you.


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Re: UNIbraces XB & UB - Review (UPDATED 18th June)....
« Reply #86 on: June 19, 2012, 07:18:45 am »
Here's a MUCH easier way to note chassis deflection. This only works for the UNIbrace XB however. Take the XB off, jack up the car on one side and then see how far the bolt holes have shifted. But as Robin noted, this is about feel empirically. Something you definitely notice when driving the car.  :happy2:


That assumes the unibrace doesn't flex at all when in service. I'm not doubting the device stiffens things up, just that I'm genuinely curious to understand how much.

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Re: UNIbraces XB & UB - Review (UPDATED 18th June)....
« Reply #87 on: June 19, 2012, 08:56:08 am »

Here's a MUCH easier way to note chassis deflection. This only works for the UNIbrace XB however. Take the XB off, jack up the car on one side and then see how far the bolt holes have shifted. But as Robin noted, this is about feel empirically. Something you definitely notice when driving the car.  :happy2:


That assumes the unibrace doesn't flex at all when in service. I'm not doubting the device stiffens things up, just that I'm genuinely curious to understand how much.


....As a single panel lattice-cut structure (says he who is not an engineer or architect), which furthermore is anchored and positioned to maximise its effect, it is surely bound to absorb some of the kinetic energy and forces which movement of the car subjects it to while driving. I suggest, but Bruce would know better than myself, that the XB does have a small but insignificant amount of flex just as most materials have. With absolutely no flex whatsoever wouldn't the XB be subject to break or crack? Doesn't energy need to be dissipated?

I would expect a full, or even a half, roll-cage to stiffen up the open box body of a hatchback more than the UNIbraces simply because of a structure which spreads the loads.

Although interesting, for me I don't care what the scientific data is as much as I do about the extra enjoyment to driving which the UNIbraces bring to the party. If you read my posts in the Group Buy thread and elsewhere you will see that I was sceptical about the UNIbraces - I expected the results to be scientific and academic rather than so tactile and tangible.

But as I have already said, having a permanent stiffy permanently stiffer car and ride is not every driver's cup of tea. Me? - Bring on the bends and roundabouts!


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Re: UNIbraces XB & UB - Review (UPDATED 18th June)....
« Reply #88 on: June 19, 2012, 09:51:37 am »
The XB is working in tension and compression across the chassis, it does not flex.. a flat brace does not have compression stiffness(it will buckle in compression) which is why the box section part stiffens it/restrains it to give it compression abilities...

As a structural engineer who specialises in steel framed building, if bracing is used, then generally two types. Flat cross bracing or tubular sections.

1) Flat bracing is laid out in pairs (like X) so in a panel the load can be transfered into a diagonal section in tension. Load one way and the brace is in tension, load the other way and the other cross brace is in tension, meaning the original brace doesn't have to go in compression.

2) Tubular bracing you have a single strut diaginally across, and this can work in tension or compression.

Well that's how I see the XB working...
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Re: UNIbraces XB & UB - Review (UPDATED 18th June)....
« Reply #89 on: June 19, 2012, 01:09:06 pm »

The XB is working in tension and compression across the chassis, it does not flex.. a flat brace does not have compression stiffness(it will buckle in compression) which is why the box section part stiffens it/restrains it to give it compression abilities...


....Which is doubtless why the XB incorporates a box section cross member as the photo below:



I haven't gone into the structural details in my original post but at least it is now being discussed within the UNIbraces review thread.  :happy2:
« Last Edit: June 21, 2012, 09:51:39 am by RedRobin »


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