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The key to performance motoring is....
« on: June 07, 2012, 01:14:36 pm »
brakes and suspension. Discuss. (If only this was a real essay question on my A Levels  :pomppomp:)

I remember reading this in an article about tuning Peugeot 205's years ago. Certainly, if you take a Golf with the ultimate brake upgrade and ultimate suspension upgrades but dont map it or add any performance bolt on upgrades I guess you would still have a very good car capable of surprising a few cars as would be able to brake later into the bends and corner round them very well too. 

Or would you say tyres and traction are more important ie the very best tyres couple with transmission mods?

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Re: The key to performance motoring is....
« Reply #1 on: June 07, 2012, 01:20:33 pm »
I agree that improving handling can go a long way towards improvingt the overall performance of a car. no point having extra power if the chasis cant handle it.

I think having the right set of tires can also be a big upgrade in terms of handling, no point spending a fortune on suspension mods if the bit which actually controls where the car is going has no grip.

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Re: The key to performance motoring is....
« Reply #2 on: June 07, 2012, 02:21:00 pm »
x2

I have to agree in the tyre issue, good tyres make alot of difference.
But then you need good brakes to Halt...
And then suspension to push both brakes & tyres.

So a bit mixed.
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Re: The key to performance motoring is....
« Reply #3 on: June 07, 2012, 02:38:34 pm »
On most tracks, maps are pointless, chassis way more important IMO
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Re: The key to performance motoring is....
« Reply #4 on: June 07, 2012, 02:43:49 pm »
Chapman theory, add lightness.

You're right though, throwing power at a car to make it faster around a track is attacking a problem from the wrong end.
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Re: The key to performance motoring is....
« Reply #5 on: June 07, 2012, 02:49:44 pm »
I think VW's own stock suspension setup is good enough personally
« Last Edit: June 08, 2012, 03:19:08 pm by Saintsteve »

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Re: The key to performance motoring is....
« Reply #6 on: June 07, 2012, 02:52:34 pm »
I think VW's own stock suspension is good enough personally..

I thought you were buying some Eibach springs.  :confused:

Agree with what has been said. Lighter, Suspenders and Brakes ftw. :happy2:

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Re: The key to performance motoring is....
« Reply #7 on: June 07, 2012, 02:56:27 pm »
I think VW's own stock suspension is good enough personally..
depends what your using car for steve, but if its mapped then i assume you want to go quicker and stock suspension is not very good at that
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Re: The key to performance motoring is....
« Reply #8 on: June 07, 2012, 03:00:19 pm »
I think VW's own stock suspension is good enough personally..
depends what your using car for steve, but if its mapped then i assume you want to go quicker and stock suspension is not very good at that

My car is for the public roads .. I would think generally if you track your car once or twice a year, I wouldn't want to drive around in a cart horse for those rare occasions the car may visit a track. Only people that use their GTi as a track day only car, would make sense to play with VW's own calculations they made in the 1st place. etto

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Re: The key to performance motoring is....
« Reply #9 on: June 07, 2012, 03:02:28 pm »
I think VW's own stock suspension is good enough personally..

I thought you were buying some Eibach springs.  :confused:



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Re: The key to performance motoring is....
« Reply #10 on: June 07, 2012, 03:03:31 pm »
I think VW's own stock suspension is good enough personally..
depends what your using car for steve, but if its mapped then i assume you want to go quicker and stock suspension is not very good at that

My car is for the public roads .. I would think generally if you track your car once or twice a year, I wouldn't want to drive around in a cart horse for those rare occasions the car may visit a track. Only people that use their GTi as a track day only car, would make sense to play with VW's own calculations they made in the 1st place. etto
i agree if its for the road, but again if its mapped then vw's calculations have been thrown out of window anyway.
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Re: The key to performance motoring is....
« Reply #11 on: June 07, 2012, 03:04:56 pm »
I think VW's own stock suspension is good enough personally..
depends what your using car for steve, but if its mapped then i assume you want to go quicker and stock suspension is not very good at that

My car is for the public roads .. I would think generally if you track your car once or twice a year, I wouldn't want to drive around in a cart horse for those rare occasions the car may visit a track. Only people that use their GTi as a track day only car, would make sense to play with VW's own calculations they made in the 1st place. etto
i agree if its for the road, but again if its mapped then vw's calculations have been thrown out of window anyway.

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Re: The key to performance motoring is....
« Reply #12 on: June 07, 2012, 03:06:41 pm »
I think VW's own stock suspension is good enough personally..
depends what your using car for steve, but if its mapped then i assume you want to go quicker and stock suspension is not very good at that

My car is for the public roads .. I would think generally if you track your car once or twice a year, I wouldn't want to drive around in a cart horse for those rare occasions the car may visit a track. Only people that use their GTi as a track day only car, would make sense to play with VW's own calculations they made in the 1st place. etto
i agree if its for the road, but again if its mapped then vw's calculations have been thrown out of window anyway.

I think VW's own stock suspension is good enough personally..
depends what your using car for steve, but if its mapped then i assume you want to go quicker and stock suspension is not very good at that

My car is for the public roads .. I would think generally if you track your car once or twice a year, I wouldn't want to drive around in a cart horse for those rare occasions the car may visit a track. Only people that use their GTi as a track day only car, would make sense to play with VW's own calculations they made in the 1st place. etto
i agree if its for the road, but again if its mapped then vw's calculations have been thrown out of window anyway.

 :grin:  :congrats:
Oh really, so why have they made a mk6 GTi with more horsepower with the same suspension setup then  :booty:

A car may be made to go faster in a straight line for the public highways, doesn't mean the suspension is then hopeless. (which it isn't)
« Last Edit: June 07, 2012, 03:09:18 pm by Saintsteve »

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Re: The key to performance motoring is....
« Reply #13 on: June 07, 2012, 03:14:59 pm »
were going off topic, suppose it depends how you define performance motoring, racing st's up a slip road or actually driving fast, if its the latter then you will want decent suspension and brakes otherwise you will be getting mullered by saxos :signLOL:
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Re: The key to performance motoring is....
« Reply #14 on: June 07, 2012, 03:16:20 pm »
were going off topic, suppose it depends how you define performance motoring, racing st's up a slip road or actually driving fast, if its the latter then you will want decent suspension and brakes otherwise you will be getting mullered by saxos :signLOL:


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