Cloned plates

[garrardrj]

i feel for the OP and hope he keeps faith in the system and this will all be sorted out shortly.

The police are just doing their jobs and lets be honest... if the crime had been commited against  us or our loved ones, we'd  hope the police would leave no stone unturned in catching the perps..

i think the police are sometimes unjustly slagged off..

No the police are a bunch of arseholes, I was assaulted in my own home this morning and treated like a criminal.

I am going to sue the police to the fully extent of the law,

Sue ?

Your view of the matter today having just been arrested , not an uncommon feeling.
If you have been assaulted you will have injuries ?

[Dp_Ed30]

I have had to have my head stitched up this mornin after the animal smashed my head in to the wall at my house.

Golf r coming so courtesy of the London met. f*ckers

[Tamiyoman]

It's not often they pay out, I would not hold out for a Golf R, maybe a written apology might be the best you can aim for.

[sub39h]

I have had to have my head stitched up this mornin after the animal smashed my head in to the wall at my house.

Golf r coming so courtesy of the London met. f*ckers

go get 'em i say

a Police officer has to have a good reason to pull you over/detain you/question you. it's called human rights. he is lawfully in his place of work. therefore a representative of the law has no business infringing on his rights or his privacy.

me personally i think it's less trouble just to give your details over to the Police. however i support Horatio's right to refuse, irrespective of what i would do myself. 

Not correct and to refuse details only antagonises someone who is only doing what they get paid to do and in most cases   not giving details to a police officer could get you arrested..............look it up

i'm gonna double check this with a couple of lawyer friends of mine. it has always been my understanding that the police have to have reasonable grounds to believe you've broken the law before you're obliged to give them your details if you were just walking down the street or, as Horatio was, in his place of work minding his own business.

obviously if you're behind the wheel of a car and they want to verify you have a driving license/you're insured etc. that's different.

[Dp_Ed30]

Google bars for change, these dirty animals get away withar to much

[RedRobin]

I have had to have my head stitched up this mornin after the animal smashed my head in to the wall at my house.

....Are you saying that a Policeman smashed your head against the wall at your own house?    Why is it that I am finding what you say very difficult to believe? Or were you putting up physical resistance to their requests and hence they were obliged to get physical with you?

[RedRobin]

i'm gonna double check this with a couple of lawyer friends of mine. it has always been my understanding that the police have to have reasonable grounds to believe you've broken the law before you're obliged to give them your details if you were just walking down the street or, as Horatio was, in his place of work minding his own business.

obviously if you're behind the wheel of a car and they want to verify you have a driving license/you're insured etc. that's different.

....The Police are unlikely to waste time challenging you for anything unless they are given reason to suspect you may have broken the law in some way. So if they go as far as stopping you, you are consequently under suspicion and therefore obliged to cooperate and give details if asked.

If you are innocent and, importantly, don't give them attitude you will come to no harm - Why should you?

[garrardrj]

I have had to have my head stitched up this mornin after the animal smashed my head in to the wall at my house.

....Are you saying that a Policeman smashed your head against the wall at your own house?    Why is it that I am finding what you say very difficult to believe? Or were you putting up physical resistance to their requests and hence they were obliged to get physical with you?

Indeed my thoughts too. When you were presented to the Custody Sergeant following your detention did you point out the injury to them ? Was it recorded at the time of your detention as you would have been asked if you were fit and well etc etc ?

[garrardrj]

Update.

Just returned from the police station after being dragged out of bed at 6 am but the same 9 coppers.

Long and short of it I'm bailed until the 11th while they investigate.

Police have no evidence apart from a 3 line phone report, the dickhead was meant to come in to give a statement today but didn't show.

Turns out he claims to have been standing on the road whe I pulled up and my passengers got out and robbed him for his £50k Rolex and £50k chain


Anyway f*ck leaving this in the hands of the local bacon, I am going mac Taylor on the situation to collect as much evidence as I can. Already have a bank statement showing my filling my car with tecos finest 5 mins before the claimed robbery and have been promised some CCTV evidence from the local carpet shop on me heading home 2 mins after.

Fingers crossed

So apparently they have arrested you with no evidence of an offence. No officer would arrest you without a statement from the victim  , that is his permission. without it you would not be arrested after the event. A £50k Rolex and a £50k chain theft and they didn't arrest you when you were stopped in your car ? A bit far fetched i think . Good story though 

[sub39h]

i'm gonna double check this with a couple of lawyer friends of mine. it has always been my understanding that the police have to have reasonable grounds to believe you've broken the law before you're obliged to give them your details if you were just walking down the street or, as Horatio was, in his place of work minding his own business.

obviously if you're behind the wheel of a car and they want to verify you have a driving license/you're insured etc. that's different.

....The Police are unlikely to waste time challenging you for anything unless they are given reason to suspect you may have broken the law in some way. So if they go as far as stopping you, you are consequently under suspicion and therefore obliged to cooperate and give details if asked.

If you are innocent and, importantly, don't give them attitude you will come to no harm - Why should you?

Again, using Horatio's example - he was demanded for his details after they'd ascertained he was lawfully going about his business (or so his wordin implies). Giving your details is the easy option, and the option i'd be likely to take - BUT it is your right to refuse

[garrardrj]

Local carpet shop CCTV covering the street and you driving your car down it ?? Why does the carpet shop cover the street with its CCTV ? They would also not pass it to you as they would be in breach of Data Protection Act and would be punishable by many thousands of pounds fine .

[garrardrj]

i'm gonna double check this with a couple of lawyer friends of mine. it has always been my understanding that the police have to have reasonable grounds to believe you've broken the law before you're obliged to give them your details if you were just walking down the street or, as Horatio was, in his place of work minding his own business.

obviously if you're behind the wheel of a car and they want to verify you have a driving license/you're insured etc. that's different.

....The Police are unlikely to waste time challenging you for anything unless they are given reason to suspect you may have broken the law in some way. So if they go as far as stopping you, you are consequently under suspicion and therefore obliged to cooperate and give details if asked.

If you are innocent and, importantly, don't give them attitude you will come to no harm - Why should you?

Again, using Horatio's example - he was demanded for his details after they'd ascertained he was lawfully going about his business (or so his wordin implies). Giving your details is the easy option, and the option i'd be likely to take - BUT it is your right to refuse

It is not your right to refuse. They are investigating a crime and need to investigate it. An officer would need to know the persons name in the building to confirm that they are entitled to be on the premises and hence has the necessary requirement .

[RedRobin]

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Just because an officer of the law (Policeman) asks for and takes note of your details it doesn't automatically mean that you are guilty of a crime!

[JackG]

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Just because an officer of the law (Policeman) asks for and takes note of your details it doesn't automatically mean that you are guilty of a crime!

Well lets put it this way....
If a copper asks me for my details I'll give them...rather that than them locking me up under belief that I'm somone else

[sub39h]

i'm gonna double check this with a couple of lawyer friends of mine. it has always been my understanding that the police have to have reasonable grounds to believe you've broken the law before you're obliged to give them your details if you were just walking down the street or, as Horatio was, in his place of work minding his own business.

obviously if you're behind the wheel of a car and they want to verify you have a driving license/you're insured etc. that's different.

....The Police are unlikely to waste time challenging you for anything unless they are given reason to suspect you may have broken the law in some way. So if they go as far as stopping you, you are consequently under suspicion and therefore obliged to cooperate and give details if asked.

If you are innocent and, importantly, don't give them attitude you will come to no harm - Why should you?

Again, using Horatio's example - he was demanded for his details after they'd ascertained he was lawfully going about his business (or so his wordin implies). Giving your details is the easy option, and the option i'd be likely to take - BUT it is your right to refuse

It is not your right to refuse. They are investigating a crime and need to investigate it. An officer would need to know the persons name in the building to confirm that they are entitled to be on the premises and hence has the necessary requirement .

Horatio's story makes it quite clear that no crime was being committed. like i said, i've asked a couple of lawyers about this and they're looking into the legalities of it because i'm not happy just taking your word for it, irrespective of what you do for a living. i've nothing further to add.