It doesn't surprise me that units changed haven't, in general, had further issues because they will be newer. So either of the following is true:1) New replacement units are just as likely - or just as unlikely - to fail compared to old units. - If this is true then we will see further issues as cars age and fall out of warranty.2) New replacement units are less likely to fail compared to old units. - In which case something was wrong with earlier units and VW should recall them.I do agree that you only hear of failures because a person is likely to complain about it and it doesn't mean there is actually a wider issue. It's also a fair comment that you tend not to hear about issues with manual gearboxes but they do of course happen. So the issue is probably one of perception rather than an actual problem. Although I do get the impression that a DSG failure is slightly more likely and usually more expensive than a manual failure.I think it's quite safe to buy a newish car with one, if it will remain in warranty. It will be interesting to see what happens to DSG values as they get older and therefore move down to buyers with less money to maintain them. Because I sometimes keep my cars for a long time (current Golf for nearly 9 years) I had to assume that part of my ownership would be without a warranty and therefore the manual made more sense. However I suspect I will get a DSG on my next car once the technology has moved a little further forward and proved itself on older cars.
Quote from: Portent on September 12, 2012, 11:49:03 amIt doesn't surprise me that units changed haven't, in general, had further issues because they will be newer. So either of the following is true:1) New replacement units are just as likely - or just as unlikely - to fail compared to old units. - If this is true then we will see further issues as cars age and fall out of warranty.2) New replacement units are less likely to fail compared to old units. - In which case something was wrong with earlier units and VW should recall them.I do agree that you only hear of failures because a person is likely to complain about it and it doesn't mean there is actually a wider issue. It's also a fair comment that you tend not to hear about issues with manual gearboxes but they do of course happen. So the issue is probably one of perception rather than an actual problem. Although I do get the impression that a DSG failure is slightly more likely and usually more expensive than a manual failure.I think it's quite safe to buy a newish car with one, if it will remain in warranty. It will be interesting to see what happens to DSG values as they get older and therefore move down to buyers with less money to maintain them. Because I sometimes keep my cars for a long time (current Golf for nearly 9 years) I had to assume that part of my ownership would be without a warranty and therefore the manual made more sense. However I suspect I will get a DSG on my next car once the technology has moved a little further forward and proved itself on older cars.....Back in around 2005 and 2006, the DSG was new technology in a production car. I was told that VW dealers were not allowed to work on DSG boxes and all failed units had to be reported to or shipped to Germany. VW wanted their specialists to inspect the failed Mechatronics modules and so replaced them rather than repair them. I think they were keen to establish the DSG technology as reliable and not put off buyers.The clutches inside a DSG box of tricks is by definition protected from human driver abuse. It's swings and roundabouts between conventional manual and DSG transmission reliability. 97k miles on my second Mechatronics module tells me it's very reliable. A car is made up of many thousands of components and any component can fail on any car. Fear of DSG longevity is unjustifiable in my opinion.
Test, should look for jerky gear changes, a jerky set off, any jerk's when moving from drive to reverse.
Quote from: Frodo-anni on September 23, 2012, 06:02:15 pmTest, should look for jerky gear changes, a jerky set off, any jerk's when moving from drive to reverse.Does this point to mechatronic failure??
