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Re: poor MPG STILL... after changing so many parts
« Reply #30 on: November 09, 2012, 07:44:09 pm »
Ok. Just performed a basic setting. Will see if that changes anything

Also happy to report there were no new fault codes :)

I checked the fuel trims on block 32 aswell


I think that's a bit outside the recommended 10%?
Whose map are you running and with what intake?

R-Tech stage 1 and I'm on a stock intake.
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Re: poor MPG STILL... after changing so many parts
« Reply #31 on: November 09, 2012, 07:51:42 pm »
R-Tech stage 1 and I'm on a stock intake.

Hmm, I would contact Nick and ask him about those values.
Usually a poor aftermarket intake will give a high partial lambda but you shouldn't see this with a stock intake that has no leaks and with a good maf sensor.

Just an afterthought but when did you last change your air filter?
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Re: poor MPG STILL... after changing so many parts
« Reply #32 on: November 09, 2012, 07:55:50 pm »
R-Tech stage 1 and I'm on a stock intake.

Hmm, I would contact Nick and ask him about those values.
Usually a poor aftermarket intake will give a high partial lambda but you shouldn't see this with a stock intake that has no leaks and with a good maf sensor.

Just an afterthought but when did you last change your air filter?

It was a new filter about 1 year ago. Its a pipercross panel.

when you say air leaks.. where should i be checking?
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Re: poor MPG STILL... after changing so many parts
« Reply #33 on: November 09, 2012, 08:18:15 pm »
It was a new filter about 1 year ago. Its a pipercross panel.

when you say air leaks.. where should i be checking?

With the oem setup you really only have two joints, one that attaches to the turbo inlet (secured with a clamp) and at its other end to the airbox that's held secure by 2 clips. It's unlikely that there would be a crack in the plastic connecting tubing but there is a rubber O ring that seals the joint at the air box side that could have dropped off or badly deformed leading to an air leak.

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Re: poor MPG STILL... after changing so many parts
« Reply #34 on: November 09, 2012, 08:21:06 pm »
It was a new filter about 1 year ago. Its a pipercross panel.

when you say air leaks.. where should i be checking?

With the oem setup you really only have two joints, one that attaches to the turbo inlet (secured with a clamp) and at its other end to the airbox that's held secure by 2 clips. It's unlikely that there would be a crack in the plastic connecting tubing but there is a rubber O ring that seals the joint at the air box side that could have dropped off or badly deformed leading to an air leak.



I replaced this part recently due to a deformed O ring seal. So its brand new and both seals are also new
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Re: poor MPG STILL... after changing so many parts
« Reply #35 on: November 09, 2012, 08:23:26 pm »
In that case I'm out of ideas..  :ashamed:
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Re: poor MPG STILL... after changing so many parts
« Reply #36 on: November 09, 2012, 08:28:32 pm »
Have you tried fitting an oe paper panel filter or cleaning the filter?
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Re: poor MPG STILL... after changing so many parts
« Reply #37 on: November 09, 2012, 08:33:11 pm »
Have you tried fitting an oe paper panel filter or cleaning the filter?
I'll give it a go tomorrow. Anyone know the cleaning process for a pipercross panel :)
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Re: poor MPG STILL... after changing so many parts
« Reply #38 on: November 09, 2012, 08:38:43 pm »
Have you tried replacing the lambda sensor??

That can affect the MPG if it's playing up. You may not get a fault code from it either  :surprised: - could have been damaged the sensor when removing the pre-cat?

Failing that, ring Nick  :grin:
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Re: poor MPG STILL... after changing so many parts
« Reply #39 on: November 09, 2012, 09:20:52 pm »
Have you tried replacing the lambda sensor??

That can affect the MPG if it's playing up. You may not get a fault code from it either  :surprised: - could have been damaged the sensor when removing the pre-cat?

Failing that, ring Nick  :grin:

No i've not tried that.

Nick suggested trying the MAF sensor. thing is I'm a bit poor at the moment and 'trying' all these sensors means buying new ones and the MAF is over £100 and goodness knows what the other one is... pretty pricey just to try them out?
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Re: poor MPG STILL... after changing so many parts
« Reply #40 on: November 09, 2012, 10:33:51 pm »
If you're out for a run, could you log block 031 for lambda and block 112 for median EGTand post what you get.
Am I right in thinking you removed your precat?
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Re: poor MPG STILL... after changing so many parts
« Reply #41 on: November 09, 2012, 10:37:28 pm »
Turbo cars eh  :sad1:

You don't get these problems with N/A engines  :grin:

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Re: poor MPG STILL... after changing so many parts
« Reply #42 on: November 10, 2012, 12:41:23 am »
How do I do this logging with vcds? My car is running extremely low mpg and need to find out what the problem is, how do I log 32?

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Re: poor MPG STILL... after changing so many parts
« Reply #43 on: November 10, 2012, 09:43:11 am »
How do I do this logging with vcds? My car is running extremely low mpg and need to find out what the problem is, how do I log 32?

If you have a vcds cable then turn the ignition on (you don't have to start the car )>click select>engine>measuring blocks, type in 032 in the first group box then press go button and the values will pop up like in Jedi's pic.
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Re: poor MPG STILL... after changing so many parts
« Reply #44 on: November 10, 2012, 11:39:45 am »
If you're out for a run, could you log block 031 for lambda and block 112 for median EGTand post what you get.
Am I right in thinking you removed your precat?

I'll have to have a go at this later in the week or next weekend. what kind of run should i log ? a quick A road blast?

Yes pre cat removed.
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