What will you choose?

[tony_danza]

Hmm - a good £10-15k more expensive, but it buys you exclusivity.

BTW, I'm not fanboi'ing here, just trying to give balance. You're asking about VAG vs BMW on a VAG biased forum, it's only ever going one way. The reverse would be true on a BMW forum.

The Golf R is a good car, drive both, see which you like. It's your money at the end of the day.

[Poverty]

You can mod M3s too you know. Here's what a standard engine and some suspension work gets you.

If you want to get really silly, but still legal, Tom Schirmer's E92 gets around in low 7s 

Can you can find me a 2.0T road legal VAG that'll do a 7:3x BTG in traffic? I've found some heavily modified TTRS that come close - so that's the kind of ballpark you need to be in to keep with an M3.

I wouldn't call those TTRS highly modified if we ate thinking of the same vid. Iirc they were just mapped cars.

Jonnyc in a stock turbo TTRS is quicker than alot of the GTRs and porkas around Bedford howfast never mind the m3's. And yes some of the GTR times he's beaten were done by pro drivers also on track tyres compared to his road tyres stock suspension attempt.

But well off on a tangent now. As for the 2.0tfsi, Audi tts, coilovers, stage 1 map, and ARB's has done a 7min49 full lap of the ring.


Really veered off track, my fault, I apologise.

[andrewparker]

How about an M1

The BMW M1, not to be confused with BMW 1 Series M Coupe

Unless he has a £150k budget of course.

[tony_danza]

Jonny's car was surely modified for that, he's even declared it as modded on the list - he had it mapped on the way home from buying it, didn't he??

http://www.howfast.co.uk/leaderboard/29th-october-2011/session-4-2pm/jonny-cocker

What spec was his car at in October last year?

Still a stunning effort, but the only measure of it being faster than a GTR/Porsche or not is surely putting Johnny behind the wheel of the same GTR/Porsche and seeing what he can get around in??

Interesting to see Mat Jackson's Focus RS on there. My mate owns that car now, it had B12s, a 375hp kit and some Alcon brakes. I also know the owner of the Talbot Sunbeam (Lotus) that's a second off Johnny too.

Good reading.

http://www.howfast.co.uk/leaderboard.aspx

[Poverty]

He wasn't driving his own car, it was the car of another forum member.

I think jonny is planning on blitzing all the other road cars in his TTRS once it's done. Will be interesting to see how he gets on. I'm planning on giving it a go too in mine, so should be good to see the difference between the two of us haha.

[tony_danza]

It still wasn't quite as stock as you alluded to though, eh? almost certainly had more power than an M3, and a lot lighter too

He's a very gifted driver, he could pedal a Fiat Panda around there faster than most people's exotica. It'll be very interesting to see how far his TTRS goes up that board 

[Poverty]

Iirc it was running road tyres, arbs, lightweight alloys, exhaust map and intercooler.

[Frenzy]

if running costs weren't an issue i'd get the M3, whether in e90 or e46 mode - it has more kudos in my book than a golf R. however reality would probably end up seeing me get the Golf R in the end - a good car but doesn't really float my boat compared to the way the M3 looks.

[garrardrj]

I would suggest that a Golf R is the car to go for . You state you cannot afford a new version of the M3 so you are on a budget . The running Costs of an M3 will be expensive together with fuel costs . I think it also depends on what type of driving you do regularly . An M3 is so easy to get over 100 that you'll get caught on one of those days . Over 100 gets a ban generally . Also the people i have seen driving M3's go everywhere in 1st or 2nd to hear the engine noise 

[PDT]

M3 plus a supercharger kit (fitted and running for about £7k) will give you 550+bhp 

[dan930]

M3 plus a supercharger kit (fitted and running for about £7k) will give you 550+bhp 

I know,done it to my e46m3 got around 490bhp...f##king well fast

[Frenzy]

M3 plus a supercharger kit (fitted and running for about £7k) will give you 550+bhp 

I know,done it to my e46m3 got around 490bhp...f##king well fast

bet a modded golf is faster  sure you can get that easy with a stage 6+ map and you'd have FWD so you could get about in the snow 

[zerolag]

The HPF E46 M3's are crazy quick too.