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"Schroth Quickfit removable 4-point harness" By Tony Danza
animal:
--- Quote from: tony_danza on November 17, 2009, 11:54:15 am ---The TUV approval on these harnesses is on a per-car basis, i.e. there is a specific model of harness particular to each vehicle - so it can only be assumed they have been designed in conjunction with each other.
They're not "universal" in a traditional 3/4/6 point off the shelf sense.
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Ah ok... I understand, I didnt realise it was a MkV specific harness.
Mat - It was Jonny I mean by resident racing driver.
tony_danza:
No probs animal - I completely get where you were coming from. I assume the RS boys were fitting a common or garden 4pointer?
Basically if you're going down that route, ensure the seat is compatible and know any deviation from these angles can cause failure. Belt points should never share seat mounting points, and only ever use reinforced mountings... not just chav style holes in the floor and a big washer!
It's also worth noting that any 'E' marked harness can be used on the road (like a Megane R26.R) but it WILL restrict your ability to see at oblique junctions, for example. I wouldn't recommend it personally.
animal:
--- Quote from: tony_danza on November 17, 2009, 12:13:06 pm ---No probs animal - I completely get where you were coming from. I assume the RS boys were fitting a common or garden 4pointer?
Basically if you're going down that route, ensure the seat is right and any deviation from these angles can cause failure.
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I'm not 100% sure but I'd imagine so, all I remember was that the seat-backs aren't strong enough - but again, they are tilt-seats for a three door car. I know there are some kits that use exisiting seat belt mounts which aren't good at all due to the angle of the belt between the back of the seat and lower mounting point on the floor at the base of the B pillar, these would most definitely induce twist in an impact!
I have to say, in our health and safety culture I am suprised that the Recaros don't carry a marking indicating that they are/are not fit for harnesses. I bet this is something that even VW would struggle to answer and just give an arse-covering 'No' to be safe! At least if they were based on a commercially available seat you could check the specs but like the RS Sparcos, they are OEM models which makes life a bit trickier.
tony_danza:
The OEM Recaro is a Sportster CS on a VAG mounting.
Recaro states they are approved for use with a 4-point harness here. Both in 3 door (tilting) and 5 door (non tilting) variants.
Quite possibly Ford cut corners and the Sparco one was just "for show"?
tony_danza:
--- Quote from: animal on November 17, 2009, 12:27:42 pm ---
I'm not 100% sure but I'd imagine so, all I remember was that the seat-backs aren't strong enough - but again, they are tilt-seats for a three door car. I know there are some kits that use exisiting seat belt mounts which aren't good at all due to the angle of the belt between the back of the seat and lower mounting point on the floor at the base of the B pillar, these would most definitely induce twist in an impact!
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Yep, unless you can ensure the shoulder belts are pretty much like this below, then you want to be using a crossover and a spreader to ensure it 'pulls' straight.
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