"Schroth Quickfit removable 4-point harness" By Tony Danza

[tony_danza]

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Check out the Instructions booklet > page 19 > Vehicle Reference List > VW Golf V - "Only with Approved After Market Seats". That doesn't look like good news for oem seats and puts a question mark over the Recaro's even though they were a limited factory option.

Link : - http://www.schrothracing.com/docs/VW_&_Audi_Quick_Fit_Instructions.pdf

Robin - if you look up, there's a link from Recaro stating your seats are approved for use with a 4-point harness......

[RedRobin]

Robin - if you look up, there's a link from Recaro stating your seats are approved for use with a 4-point harness......

....Is the Recaro seat as TC's and mine one of these? : -

Keiper Recaro:
Orthopäd, Designer Touring, Idealsitz SR, Idealsitz L/LX/LS 84, Idealsitz CS84, CSE, T-Line, Designer Sport, C-Classic, TX, N, LS, CT, Variomed, A 8, Modular, Ergomed, IS 2000 Style, D&W-Sitze

[tony_danza]

Its known as a CS, so I can only assume a CSE is the version provided to the likes of VAG/BMW/Ford/Renault.

[RedRobin]

Also, forgot to mention, make sure the lap section is nice and low in position - you don't want to submarine out of the seat in the event of a crash. Should be where a normal 3 pointer sits, under the belly!!

....Should be positioned as you and Schroth's Instructions rightly say. The "ASM" in the Schroth QuickFit title stands for Anti Submarining Mechanism. I've now seen a vid with crash dummies which shows how the Schroth ASM works.

[MAT ED30]

My link has opened a can of worms 

[tony_danza]

I can see if now...

Glasses on end of nose, printed off on A3 and highlighter pen giving it six-nowt.

/pulling legs.

[RedRobin]

Its known as a CS, so I can only assume a CSE is the version provided to the likes of VAG/BMW/Ford/Renault.

....Recaro CSE has user operable electric settings and memory and looks different to both ours.

The Recaro web site won't give a direct link to the page so: HOME Original Equipment >>  Products >>  All vehicles >>  VW Golf V GTI >> and our Mk5 GTI has what Recaro call "cccls" as one of its many oem products for car manufacturers. The cccls is pictured as the same as mine and TC's and not the standard oem GTI seat. However I can find no other reference anywhere in cyberspace which relates to "Recaro cccls".

Looking at the various Recaro seat types which Schroth approve, I'm fairly confident we don't have a problem.

[animal]

Its known as a CS, so I can only assume a CSE is the version provided to the likes of VAG/BMW/Ford/Renault.

....Recaro CSE has user operable electric settings and memory and looks different to both ours.

The Recaro web site won't give a direct link to the page so: HOME Original Equipment >>  Products >>  All vehicles >>  VW Golf V GTI >> and our Mk5 GTI has what Recaro call "cccls" as one of its many oem products for car manufacturers. The cccls is pictured as the same as mine and TC's and not the standard oem GTI seat. However I can find no other reference anywhere in cyberspace which relates to "Recaro cccls".

Looking at the various Recaro seat types which Schroth approve, I'm fairly confident we don't have a problem.

I have posted this else where in a current, relevant post. But, I thought it important to capture it here. It would seem my early concerns weren't entirely un-founded after all. I noticed this on my lower B-pillar (inside the door-shut) at the weekend (I have factory fitted Recaros):

[RedRobin]

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I still think it depends on the angle of the straps. The Schroth info shows it and it's already been posted in this thread IIRC. The point is that the Schroth Quikfit uses extra floor anchors (and it's TUV approved).

That label illustration shows the Recaro seat front, not back, and the Schroth male 'tabs' run in the other opposite direction.

Furthermore, I translate that label as an instruction to feed the 'tabs' in the direction which the Schroth does.

I would even go as far as suggesting that this label indicates a support of the use of such safety belts.

[animal]

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I still think it depends on the angle of the straps. The Schroth info shows it and it's already been posted in this thread IIRC. The point is that the Schroth Quikfit uses extra floor anchors (and it's TUV approved).

That label illustration shows the Recaro seat front, not back, and the Schroth male 'tabs' run in the other opposite direction.

Furthermore, I translate that label as an instruction to feed the 'tabs' in the direction which the Schroth does.

I would even go as far as suggesting that this label indicates a support of the use of such safety belts.

Robin, a big part of my job is designing pictograms for user instructions and making things as simple and as clear cut as possible graphically, whilst being technically correct and leaving little scope for mis-interpretation. This is without any doubt a warning sticker. IM(professional)O, a picto of a bucket seat with a big red cross through it leave very little doubt as to what message VW are trying to convey. My technical specialist colleagues agree. This picto is not about the type of harness, it's about the inherent weakness of the seat due to it being designed to articulate forward.

I'm not saying to you shouldn't use your harness but clearly VW don't endorse it. I have simply posted this to inform others considering harnesses who may have also retrofitted these same seats and therefore are unaware of VW's official position on the matter.

[MAT ED30]

a big red cross says under no terms fit a harness pure and simple as these seats are more for show the are not race seats 

[Poppa Dom]

Perhaps we should do some in house forum testing?

[Janner_Sy]

sounds dodgy to me.  very dodgy. that warning pic is pretty self explanatory as well, and you could be pretty certain it is not belt specific

[RedRobin]

^^^^
Yes, as I just posted in the other thread, it's the tilt release where the potential problem is.

[QD MBE]