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Re: Cam Follower Awareness hasn't gone far enough
« Reply #90 on: April 03, 2013, 09:07:44 am »
I don't have the M18 thingy (scientific term) and I don't have time for one to be delivered before I go on a long drive. All the garages I have phoned seemed confused as to why I want it done, even VW and VW specialists... One garage even said that they hate working on the top-side of a MK5 engine because it's a pain in the arse. I told them I'd do it myself if I had the M18 and I am not a mechanic....


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Re: Cam Follower Awareness hasn't gone far enough
« Reply #91 on: April 03, 2013, 10:02:18 am »
It's an M8 thingy (spline bit) by the way. Had to order a set of spline bits myself so I have the ones I need - having said that at about £6 for a set of 11 it's not pricey :)
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Re: Cam Follower Awareness hasn't gone far enough
« Reply #92 on: April 03, 2013, 11:29:20 am »
Just done mine, a 55 plate AXX engine, I had the two metal pipes. Was fairly straight forward with the right tool:

13mm spanner
17mm spanner
30 Torx screw
and M8 spline.

I had done just under 90K, and old one looked like this:




Shame your not more local Alex as could have helped out.

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Re: Cam Follower Awareness hasn't gone far enough
« Reply #93 on: April 03, 2013, 12:15:06 pm »
Sorry yeah, I meant M8. Tired this morning :P I was looking to buy some, but I can't envision me using it more than once, plus they wouldn't be delivered before the weekend.  :fighting:

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Re: Cam Follower Awareness hasn't gone far enough
« Reply #94 on: April 03, 2013, 01:20:25 pm »
Changed mine out at the weekend, no banjo bolt so a straightforward task.

2007 car with 49,000 miles. The DLC has worn off from the centre outwards, so was just right for a change. Cam lobe was nice and unmarked.

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Re: Cam Follower Awareness hasn't gone far enough
« Reply #95 on: April 03, 2013, 05:59:33 pm »
Had an early finish at 4PM today so ordered a new follower at 12:30PM today from TPS and cracked on with it when I got home, Took me 45mins with no issue's at all.

As already echoed on the forum for the time this takes to replace and how straight forward the job it to do I would encourage anyone with a TFSI powered car to replace theirs!

Taken from my ED30 which turned 54K miles today and is a standard car with full VWSH, Very happy with my findings to see little wear on the follower and the camshaft in excellent condition also....








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Re: Cam Follower Awareness hasn't gone far enough
« Reply #96 on: April 04, 2013, 02:42:01 pm »
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Re: Cam Follower Awareness hasn't gone far enough
« Reply #97 on: April 04, 2013, 03:20:31 pm »
I've changed mine recently too; Standard GTI, 55 plate (AXX) with 100k. Ready for changing, but not terrible, and the cam looked ok too.



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Re: Cam Follower Awareness hasn't gone far enough
« Reply #98 on: April 04, 2013, 03:24:50 pm »
I wonder if some of the destroyed followers have been because the 3 bolts for holding the hpfp in place have been torqued to different amounts? I imagine this would mean the pump spring would be off centre and therefore cause accelerated wear?

It's just a theory though.
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Re: Cam Follower Awareness hasn't gone far enough
« Reply #99 on: April 04, 2013, 04:59:21 pm »
I wonder if some of the destroyed followers have been because the 3 bolts for holding the hpfp in place have been torqued to different amounts? I imagine this would mean the pump spring would be off centre and therefore cause accelerated wear?

It's just a theory though.

I would doubt it, the pumps protruding section with the 'O'ring on it is quite a snug fit in the head diameter and I doubt it wouldn't allow to much tilt.  I think even with three varying torques the pump would still sit square.

Seems quite a few cam followers still in reasonable shape even on reasonably high mileage cars  :confused :Begs the question are all the issues purely down to.

1 - Using the higher pressure pump, ie APR / autotech internals
2 - Revision A cam. More of a US issue I believe ????
3 - Poor maintenance, lack of regular oil changes or poor oil quality.  This area should have hydrodynamic lubrication between the follower and lobe contact area, so possibly using incorrect oil which is not capable of withstanding the surface contact pressures seen between the two parts would increase wear rates and cause premature failure.

Then again it might not be our fault and it could be VW purchasers cutting cost by a few pence and buying cheaper crap followers  :wink:





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Re: Cam Follower Awareness hasn't gone far enough
« Reply #100 on: April 04, 2013, 05:30:47 pm »
Mine was VERY badly worn and is serviced religiously with good quality oil.
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,63945.0.html
It was the original follower as well so I doubt very much the pump was torqued incorrectly. There doesn't seem any reason in particular why some are worse than others with comparable mileages

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Re: Cam Follower Awareness hasn't gone far enough
« Reply #101 on: April 04, 2013, 05:36:06 pm »
Mine was VERY badly worn and is serviced religiously with good quality oil.
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,63945.0.html
It was the original follower as well so I doubt very much the pump was torqued incorrectly. There doesn't seem any reason in particular why some are worse than others with comparable mileages

Have you had the car from new ?  Could it be a previous owner running something causing this issue ?

Looks like you caught it just in time though  :scared:

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Re: Cam Follower Awareness hasn't gone far enough
« Reply #102 on: April 04, 2013, 05:42:17 pm »
No I just bought it last September but the service records are very comprehensive, but you could be right, I guess previous owners might not be as picky as me with regards to oil quality!

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Re: Cam Follower Awareness hasn't gone far enough
« Reply #103 on: April 04, 2013, 06:33:34 pm »
Mine was VERY badly worn and is serviced religiously with good quality oil.
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,63945.0.html
It was the original follower as well so I doubt very much the pump was torqued incorrectly. There doesn't seem any reason in particular why some are worse than others with comparable mileages

Probably has some link to engine rpm rather than just mileage, higher rpm across the mileage will result in more wear.
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Re: Cam Follower Awareness hasn't gone far enough
« Reply #104 on: April 04, 2013, 07:05:51 pm »
Mine was VERY badly worn and is serviced religiously with good quality oil.
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,63945.0.html
It was the original follower as well so I doubt very much the pump was torqued incorrectly. There doesn't seem any reason in particular why some are worse than others with comparable mileages

Probably has some link to engine rpm rather than just mileage, higher rpm across the mileage will result in more wear.

Not necessarily, Cold starts with thick oil and prolonged periods of idling give borderline lubrication or partial lubrication on surfaces particularly cam followers or bucket tappets resulting in lots of wear.

When breaking engines in (old school style) it quickens the whole process up using 10 second spells at idle along with ramps to the redline.   :happy2: