BMW Mini one came with the car , Nov 2008 . They can only have been undone on the rears no more than 3 or 4 times . The tyres i put on the rears replaced the originals , rear brake pads and discs are originals too ! They really shouldn't be that sh!t , should they ? Then again they don't even give you a spare wheel nowadays with a Mini , I had issue with the VW ones too. I think they are not meant to be undone with anything other than an air tool . The sockets never fit snugly over the nut and then you apply pressure to the wheel brace to the side rather than directly behing the nut like an air tools does