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Re: BSH PCV Stage 2 Fix
« Reply #30 on: August 01, 2009, 05:23:21 pm »

EVOMS cover looks  :sick: - no way ! lol !


Its worse than that. :laugh:


....So which aftermarket cover would you prefer if fitting something which means the stock one has to go?

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Re: BSH PCV Stage 2 Fix
« Reply #31 on: August 01, 2009, 05:40:26 pm »
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So's not to hijack this thread, I've started another separate one : -

Linky : - Which Aftermarket Engine Cover....


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Re: BSH PCV Stage 2 Fix
« Reply #32 on: August 02, 2009, 08:56:12 am »
That's great - been wanting to fit one for a while - very concerned about the sludge build up as I'm currently doing about 20 - 25k a year in the ED30.  Am glad this kit seems to fit under the original engine cover. Am put off by any products that do away with the cover.  The TFSI is not the most "aesthetic" of engines.  Wonder what the main dealer will say when it comes to service time.

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Gareth
i ve been reading about these but i dont really understand what it does ! if this modification is need for the health of the engine why did vw not design it originally  and surly if it does increase the life/performance of the engine vw would approve it any way ?       any one who has one fitted , any down side to it ???????
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Re: BSH PCV Stage 2 Fix
« Reply #33 on: August 02, 2009, 12:55:26 pm »
That's great - been wanting to fit one for a while - very concerned about the sludge build up as I'm currently doing about 20 - 25k a year in the ED30.  Am glad this kit seems to fit under the original engine cover. Am put off by any products that do away with the cover.  The TFSI is not the most "aesthetic" of engines.  Wonder what the main dealer will say when it comes to service time.

Regards,

Gareth
i ve been reading about these but i dont really understand what it does ! if this modification is need for the health of the engine why did vw not design it originally  and surly if it does increase the life/performance of the engine vw would approve it any way ?       any one who has one fitted , any down side to it ???????
                                                  :drinking:   ian

The downside is, that in all oil catch tanks - if you live in deepest darkest coldest Wales like I do (!!) the moisture inside the catch tank can freeze in the winter preventing the PCV fix from "fixing" ! Have you seen the threads and pictures showing the ports and exposed valve train in the ports after 20k in a TFSI ? They get tremendously gunged up (a downside of not having and injector behind the valve in the port) - a side effect of direct port injection.  Exhaust gas is re circulated back into the inlet tract to help lower emissions (so that VW can sell the car) and is mixed with oil which then sludges up in the warm atmosphere of the ports and coats everything in sludge - this will undoubtedly cause valve train damage failure, lower performance etc etc

VW haven't fitted it a, either through ignorance b, because the shelf life of modern cars is considerably less and c, because it was probably a VW economists choice to omitt rather than an engineers choice to include - unfortunately economists run car manufacturers not engineers.

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Re: BSH PCV Stage 2 Fix
« Reply #34 on: August 02, 2009, 01:52:21 pm »
VW are fully aware of this issue!

Below is a direct quotation from the technical staff of VAG with complete acknowledgment of the FSI intake valve deposit issue, and it's impacts, including: decreased performance, misfires, catalytic converter damage ... etc.


"Gasoline engines with direct injection of the fuel into the combustion chamber, i.e., not into the intake port, suffer especially from the problem of the formation of carbon deposits on components. Carbon deposits form especially in the neck region of intake valves. A more exact analysis of how these carbon deposits form leads to the following result: Oil and fuel constituents first form a sticky coating on the components. These constituents are chiefly long-chain and branched-chain hydrocarbons, i.e., the low-volatility components of oil and fuel. Aromatic compounds adhere especially well. This sticky base coating serves as a base for the deposition of soot particles. This results in a porous surface, in which oil and fuel particles in turn become embedded. This process is a circular process, by which the coating thickness of the carbon deposits continuously increases. Especially in the area of the intake valves, the deposits originate from blowby gases and from internal and external exhaust gas recirculation, and in this process, the blowby gasses and the recirculated exhaust gas come into direct contact with the intake valve.

Especially in the area of the neck of the intake valves, excessive carbon deposits have extremely negative effects for the following reasons: In the case of Otto direct injectors, the successful ignition of the stratified charge depends to a great extent on the correct development of the internal cylinder flow, which ensures reliable transport of the injected fuel to the spark plug to guarantee reliable ignition at the spark plug. However, a coating of carbon deposits in the neck region of the intake valve may interfere so strongly with the tumble flow that ignition failures may occur there as a result. Under certain circumstances, however, ignition failures can lead to irreversible damage of a catalytic converter installed in the exhaust gas tract for purifying the exhaust gas. Furthermore, the coating of carbon deposits in the neck region of the intake valve causes flow resistance, which can lead to significant performance losses due to insufficient cylinder filling, especially in the upper load and speed range of the internal combustion engine. In addition, the carbon deposits in the neck region of the intake valve may prevent correct valve closing, which leads to compression losses and thus sporadic ignition failures. This in turn could irreversibly damage the catalytic converter. There is the potential for small particles to break away from the coating of carbon deposits in the neck region of the intake valve and get into the catalytic converter. These hot particles may then cause secondary reaction and corresponding local damage of the catalytic converter. For example, a hole may be burned in the structure of the catalytic converter.

Globular deposits are found especially on the valve stem downstream from a partition plate in the intake port. Due to the dripping of high-boiling hydrocarbons from the partition plate towards the valve neck or valve stem, globular carbon deposits eventually form there by the sequence of events explained above. These deposits on the valve stem can result in flow deficits due to undesired swirling and turbulent flow around the globular carbon deposits. This may persistently interfere with the formation of stable tumble flow from cycle to cycle.

A possible solution would be to keep these sources of deposits away, for example, from the intake valve, by completely eliminating exhaust gas recirculation and the introduction of blowby gases into the intake port. However with the combustion behavior of modern reciprocating internal combustion engines, at least external exhaust gas recirculation and the introduction of blowby gases into the intake port are absolutely necessary for reasons of emission control and fuel consumption, so that this approach is not possible. "
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Re: BSH PCV Stage 2 Fix
« Reply #35 on: August 03, 2009, 06:36:03 am »
does the stage 2 make a smell? it only says the race one smells, why would that be and why would you need a race one over a stage 2?
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Re: BSH PCV Stage 2 Fix
« Reply #36 on: August 03, 2009, 08:06:39 am »
does the stage 2 make a smell? it only says the race one smells, why would that be and why would you need a race one over a stage 2?

Only the race can setup smells because it vents uncondensed oil vapour into the engine bay.   :smiley:
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