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Re: R-Tech graph compared to Revo....
« Reply #30 on: May 11, 2013, 06:47:59 pm »
I had Revo put on my DSG Edition




over an existing R-Tech one  :grin:

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Re: R-Tech graph compared to Revo....
« Reply #31 on: May 11, 2013, 07:05:12 pm »
I must be missing something here. I know i've been away a while but i thought Bluefin was the map to have Steve? You always used to say it suited you perfectly.  :confused:

At the OP. At the end of the day it's your money and you pays it and takes your chances. All i will say is do NOT use RR graphs as a defining factor.

No two cars will ever perform the same, even with the same map. The don't even perform the same on the Dyno with the factory map. For example my car i put a few k miles on to run it in as didn't want to map straight from the dealer. On JKM's rollers, standard car, i got 203bhp. Ian with the same standard car got 215bhp iirc (sure Ian will correct if wrong but the point isn't the figure it's the fact they are different). REVO vs R-Tech vs APR vs GIAC vs Bluefin vs "My mate Bob with his Sinclair 48K Spectrum hook up" debate will always rage on.

FWIW on my previous car i had REVO. When i bought my current car i first went with APR after a bad experience with REVO. However due to an issue with the APR map which wasn't resolved to my satisfaction i went back to REVO after assurances that i wouldn't get the same bad experience.

All i will say is do your research and take everyone's advice, including mine, with a pinch of salt. Ultimately it's your car and you have to be happy with your choice. Graph's and No.s are for pub talk. It's how it drives that matters.  :smiley:


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Re: R-Tech graph compared to Revo....
« Reply #32 on: May 11, 2013, 07:33:22 pm »
Some people buy Skoda's... :popcornsoda:


Yes Carl and myself did. VAT free.  :happy2:

Do all you R-Tech fanboy's sign a deal to spam every "Which Remap?" thread when you pay, if you pay, for it?  :popcornsoda:

No , just people like to give feedback when great customer service is given. Is there now a law on a public forum against this now? :confused:

I'm all for VAT free cars, I bought my Brand new Hyundai i10 vat free aswell. So I guess yes I buy always cheap, but it certainly does the job I wanted it for  :happy2:
« Last Edit: May 11, 2013, 07:35:31 pm by Saintsteve »

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Re: R-Tech graph compared to Revo....
« Reply #33 on: May 11, 2013, 07:41:19 pm »
Some people buy Skoda's... :popcornsoda:


Yes Carl and myself did. VAT free.  :happy2:

Do all you R-Tech fanboy's sign a deal to spam every "Which Remap?" thread when you pay, if you pay, for it?  :popcornsoda:

When you stumble across something good, most of us on the forum want to share it with the rest if you. Goodyear Eagle Assy's get a good review from me on pretty much every tyre thread - promise you Goodyear don't give them to me for free  :popcornsoda:

Anyhoo, the facts are out there in the many reviews and dyno graphs out there. . .

We are all never going to agree that one remap is better than the other, everyone wants different things (anti-theft & a fancy switching device) others just want a quality map, customer service for a decent price. ETTO and fair enough  :drinking:

Nuff said.
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Re: R-Tech graph compared to Revo....
« Reply #34 on: May 11, 2013, 08:20:22 pm »
I must be missing something here. I know i've been away a while but i thought Bluefin was the map to have Steve? You always used to say it suited you perfectly.  :confused:

At the OP. At the end of the day it's your money and you pays it and takes your chances. All i will say is do NOT use RR graphs as a defining factor.

No two cars will ever perform the same, even with the same map. The don't even perform the same on the Dyno with the factory map. For example my car i put a few k miles on to run it in as didn't want to map straight from the dealer. On JKM's rollers, standard car, i got 203bhp. Ian with the same standard car got 215bhp iirc (sure Ian will correct if wrong but the point isn't the figure it's the fact they are different). REVO vs R-Tech vs APR vs GIAC vs Bluefin vs "My mate Bob with his Sinclair 48K Spectrum hook up" debate will always rage on.

FWIW on my previous car i had REVO. When i bought my current car i first went with APR after a bad experience with REVO. However due to an issue with the APR map which wasn't resolved to my satisfaction i went back to REVO after assurances that i wouldn't get the same bad experience.

All i will say is do your research and take everyone's advice, including mine, with a pinch of salt. Ultimately it's your car and you have to be happy with your choice. Graph's and No.s are for pub talk. It's how it drives that matters.  :smiley:



It was Carl, and I will talk to you privately as to why my decision.. But when you know why, you'll realise  :happy2:

Was it because you realised it was sh*t??


If there was any "deals" done.... Then your review is null and void.


So which is it?

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Re: R-Tech graph compared to Revo....
« Reply #35 on: May 11, 2013, 08:23:32 pm »

dearest doesn't always mean the best either.. You bought a BMW  


The amazing thing is, I got all that car for a lot less than a Golf R or S3 - and a hell of a lot less than the RS3 it trounced in Harris' test..... So no, dearest isn't best  :signLOL:

Thanks for the replies guys.

So people don't think revo is worth twice as much?

And it can be on the aggressive side for traction even with correct set up?

Revo is 20 miles from me and r tech is 100 miles. I don't mind travelling if its the best, and again don't mind paying for revo if its best.

Apparently r tech is better for drive ability.
Just trying to get some opinions together.

No, people for who cost is the major factor in deciding which map to buy think Revo isn't worth twice as much. You'd find everyone with Revo would tell you it's worth every penny. This really is your call, only you know what's important to you, as it's your money.

R-Tech are doing great work and have a lot of happy customers. I wouldn't rubbish them, if they weren't good, they wouldn't be in business. I'm just trying to help you see a balanced view, rather than biased.

No, it isn't aggressive - that's urban myth. It will be if you set it up to be, which most people with a brain don't.

P.S. as Steve pointed out, I don't have a VAG. Just giving the benefit of experience, having had Revo on 4 cars, and over many years have seen and driven other's mapped cars. Some of which I was impressed with, a lot of which were junk.
Sideways yo!

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Re: R-Tech graph compared to Revo....
« Reply #36 on: May 11, 2013, 08:24:26 pm »
I must be missing something here. I know i've been away a while but i thought Bluefin was the map to have Steve? You always used to say it suited you perfectly.  :confused:

At the OP. At the end of the day it's your money and you pays it and takes your chances. All i will say is do NOT use RR graphs as a defining factor.

No two cars will ever perform the same, even with the same map. The don't even perform the same on the Dyno with the factory map. For example my car i put a few k miles on to run it in as didn't want to map straight from the dealer. On JKM's rollers, standard car, i got 203bhp. Ian with the same standard car got 215bhp iirc (sure Ian will correct if wrong but the point isn't the figure it's the fact they are different). REVO vs R-Tech vs APR vs GIAC vs Bluefin vs "My mate Bob with his Sinclair 48K Spectrum hook up" debate will always rage on.

FWIW on my previous car i had REVO. When i bought my current car i first went with APR after a bad experience with REVO. However due to an issue with the APR map which wasn't resolved to my satisfaction i went back to REVO after assurances that i wouldn't get the same bad experience.

All i will say is do your research and take everyone's advice, including mine, with a pinch of salt. Ultimately it's your car and you have to be happy with your choice. Graph's and No.s are for pub talk. It's how it drives that matters.  :smiley:



It was Carl, and I will talk to you privately as to why my decision.. But when you know why, you'll realise  :happy2:

Was it because you realised it was sh*t??


If there was any "deals" done.... Then your review is null and void.


So which is it?

Neither  :P

Nice try though  :signLOL:
« Last Edit: May 11, 2013, 08:27:06 pm by Saintsteve »

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Re: R-Tech graph compared to Revo....
« Reply #37 on: May 11, 2013, 10:05:19 pm »
I had Revo put on my DSG Edition




over an existing R-Tech one  :grin:

Dare I ask how you found them both? Lol

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Re: R-Tech graph compared to Revo....
« Reply #38 on: May 11, 2013, 10:10:29 pm »
Cheers lads, great to have different opinions, makes my research easier!

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Re: R-Tech graph compared to Revo....
« Reply #39 on: May 11, 2013, 10:20:12 pm »
Cheers lads, great to have different opinions, makes my research easier!

Either way, a remap is a remap  :smiley: and will be better than stock. . . .you won't be disappointed with either. That I think we will all agree on  :drinking:


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Re: R-Tech graph compared to Revo....
« Reply #40 on: May 12, 2013, 03:26:29 am »
I must be missing something here. I know i've been away a while but i thought Bluefin was the map to have Steve? You always used to say it suited you perfectly.  :confused:

At the OP. At the end of the day it's your money and you pays it and takes your chances. All i will say is do NOT use RR graphs as a defining factor.

No two cars will ever perform the same, even with the same map. The don't even perform the same on the Dyno with the factory map. For example my car i put a few k miles on to run it in as didn't want to map straight from the dealer. On JKM's rollers, standard car, i got 203bhp. Ian with the same standard car got 215bhp iirc (sure Ian will correct if wrong but the point isn't the figure it's the fact they are different). REVO vs R-Tech vs APR vs GIAC vs Bluefin vs "My mate Bob with his Sinclair 48K Spectrum hook up" debate will always rage on.

FWIW on my previous car i had REVO. When i bought my current car i first went with APR after a bad experience with REVO. However due to an issue with the APR map which wasn't resolved to my satisfaction i went back to REVO after assurances that i wouldn't get the same bad experience.

All i will say is do your research and take everyone's advice, including mine, with a pinch of salt. Ultimately it's your car and you have to be happy with your choice. Graph's and No.s are for pub talk. It's how it drives that matters.  :smiley:



It was Carl, and I will talk to you privately as to why my decision.. But when you know why, you'll realise  :happy2:

Was it because you realised it was sh*t??


If there was any "deals" done.... Then your review is null and void.


So which is it?

Neither  :P

Nice try though  :signLOL:


Are you sure it was neither???????  :popcornsoda:

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Re: R-Tech graph compared to Revo....
« Reply #41 on: May 12, 2013, 10:31:50 am »
Back to the original question.... Graph comparisons between tuners.

Graphs are great, they give an indication of flat out performance and shape of the power curves but what they don't show is how well the car drives.

During development we made 80+ different maps for the N54 BMW engine, they all made similar peak power and torque and the curves very similar but some were great to drive, others were terrible with snappy throttle response and mid range flat spots, some had very eager low rpm boost which would cause a surging feel, some would work hideously badly with the auto box, but great on manuals.

Back on the day when the Vaux Z20LET was all the rage, we had 2 maps that people could try before they paid, a high power map (boost brought in later and linear throttle which meant the throttle had to be used with high rpm) for the bhp number chasers and a high torque map (lots of low/mid throttle power and much better as a road car) for people that wanted a really quick car in the real world. We often flashed both onto the car for testing without telling them which was which, everyone preferred the high torque map, many refused to believe it made less BHP.

We have lots of customers that have both ours and Revos TFSi software, both make similar power curves but very different to drive, Revo has lots of power at low throttle, ours don't (unless the customer requests it) some preferred Revo, Some preferred ours.

So the power graphs are only a small element to look at when choosing a map, unless there's a huge difference in numbers.

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Re: R-Tech graph compared to Revo....
« Reply #42 on: May 12, 2013, 12:36:31 pm »
Back to the original question.... Graph comparisons between tuners.

Graphs are great, they give an indication of flat out performance and shape of the power curves but what they don't show is how well the car drives.

During development we made 80+ different maps for the N54 BMW engine, they all made similar peak power and torque and the curves very similar but some were great to drive, others were terrible with snappy throttle response and mid range flat spots, some had very eager low rpm boost which would cause a surging feel, some would work hideously badly with the auto box, but great on manuals.

Back on the day when the Vaux Z20LET was all the rage, we had 2 maps that people could try before they paid, a high power map (boost brought in later and linear throttle which meant the throttle had to be used with high rpm) for the bhp number chasers and a high torque map (lots of low/mid throttle power and much better as a road car) for people that wanted a really quick car in the real world. We often flashed both onto the car for testing without telling them which was which, everyone preferred the high torque map, many refused to believe it made less BHP.

We have lots of customers that have both ours and Revos TFSi software, both make similar power curves but very different to drive, Revo has lots of power at low throttle, ours don't (unless the customer requests it) some preferred Revo, Some preferred ours.

So the power graphs are only a small element to look at when choosing a map, unless there's a huge difference in numbers.

Cheers PDT

I want driveability as well as a quick road car.

U say about the vaux engine......my mate has stage 3 vxr running 312bhp and 330 lbft would a mapped 300bhp Eddie be far off that?

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Re: R-Tech graph compared to Revo....
« Reply #43 on: May 13, 2013, 06:13:56 pm »


Revo stage 1 at my local dealer with ITG intake, hits torque early I thought? Seems to hold on long as well. Looks pretty impressive.


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Re: R-Tech graph compared to Revo....
« Reply #44 on: May 13, 2013, 06:16:01 pm »
Says at the top Revo Stage 2  :laugh:

Figures are far to good for any stage one map (except maybe AMD  :wink:)
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