Lower Mount failure!... New Engine?

[Rinzleristron]

I'm new here having bought an '05 GTI (DSG) two weeks ago, so apologies if this has been covered before.

I bought the car privately on the 23/08, tested it, there where a few bumps and marks but nothing that concerned me. On the 29/08 I went to reverse off my drive way and it felt as though the gearbox had slipped. As I was driving I noticed what sounded like a rubbing noise but no loss of power or issue with the gear change. At first I thought one of the calipers may have seized as the noise was coming from the front offside. Got to my local VW specialist and when they took a look the noise was originating from the Cambelt which was clearly worn despite the fact that the previous owner had changed it 5000 miles ago. I agreed to get the work done, however the garage put the car on the ramp this afternoon and noticed this:-



I haven't got much idea what I'm looking at to be honest. It was explained but I was so f*****g p****d off, I missed most of it!

It's been diagnosed with a lower mount failure (?). I've been told it's the only failure of it's kind that they've seen on a GTI but may be the result of a front impact and a temporary fix.

The Garage is recommending an engine replacement. Anyone else had this and is a new engine my only option?

Thanks in advance!

[Degudodger]

Doudt it will need a new engine. My suggestion would be to get get the lower engine mount replaced.

WRT the cambelt - was it changed by a VW garage. Do you have the invoice or have you phoned the garage to check it has actually been replaced?

[Rinzleristron]

Doudt it will need a new engine. My suggestion would be to get get the lower engine mount replaced.

WRT the cambelt - was it changed by a VW garage. Do you have the invoice or have you phoned the garage to check it has actually been replaced?

Thanks for the reply. It wasn't changed by a VW garage. The car was missing the Cambelt cover and I don't recall any wear when I viewed the car. Apparently the engine has slipped as the mount failed and so the belt is now rubbing which has caused the wear. I obviously don't know enough about mechanics to make a judgement but thought there may be an easier option than an engine replacement, although I'm not sure what other damage may be caused... wondering whether to get a second opinion.

[chowgar]

sounds like a case of re-using old bolts has happened to others on here...

[Degudodger]

IF i remember correctly, on the GTi, to replace the cambelt the engine mount needs to be removed and the mount stretch bolts replace otherwise they could snap........................

[Degudodger]

Not a GTi but the setup is the same - http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,24226.0.html

[Carpy25]

seen this on mk4 tdi,s the mount bolt gets loose and the movement rips a chunk of metal out of the block and drops on The drive shift best fix is a new block

don't know if this is the same thing is it a 1.9 tdi ?

Rob

[Homer]

My engine bolt on my old vectra went after having the cambelt changed, it was done privately and the guy had clearly used the old bolts. Anyway the whole engine started vibrating loudly as one of the engine bolts had sharred off after a couple of days. Luckily the fix was replacing the bolts on the engine mount.

In this case there seems to be more damage however I really don't think you would need a whole new engine. Remember a dealer will always tell you the most expensive fix.

For the mechanics of the forum, please advise the op in more depth than I am able!

[Homer]

How much are they quoting you for a new engine by the way?

[Rinzleristron]

seen this on mk4 tdi,s the mount bolt gets loose and the movement rips a chunk of metal out of the block and drops on The drive shift best fix is a new block

don't know if this is the same thing is it a 1.9 tdi ?

Rob

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Told that it can occur on a TDI but they'd never seen it on a GTI, hence the theory that it suffered a minor front impact at some point putting pressure on the mount. My only concern is that I drove to the garage without any noticeable loss in performance (I didn't hammer it on route), so I'm kind of hoping that there may be no 'long term' damage to the engine. It seems a little drastic to replace the entire unit. May get someone else to take a look

[Rinzleristron]

How much are they quoting you for a new engine by the way?

It's an independent VW specialist... They did a similar job last year and sourced an engine for £1200 w/ 30 day warranty (!). Looking at the image, the bolt appears in tact but the mount has ruptured. 

[vRSAlex]

It doesnt look like it's only just happened. Someone has put a nut at the end.

[GTI5]

30 day warranty on an engine...is it from the local scrapyard?

Unfortunately looks like you've been mugged in a private sale.

[Degudodger]

Is it possible to replace just that part of the engine mount?

[Rinzleristron]

Its a temp fix, the nut is holding the bolt onto the remainder of the mount. I paid a visit to the last garage in the service book today and the guy remembered doing the work and admitted that they had offered the previous owner a temp fix as the damage was already there, hence the need for a cambelt change. He must of had it standing following the work as I drove less than 100 miles before the engine dropped. It's also been de-catted which makes me wonder (with 9 months left) how it got through the MOT?

Quote for a new engine + install + VAT is £4000+