Best tyre for around £100 a corner - ( F1 Asym or Vredestein Sessanta?)

[Veee-dubber]

 

[xjay1337]

^^^^ everyone (so far) in this thread who've had both the Goodyear's and the Vredestein's rate the GY's as better tyres out of the 2 in question, it's not the other way round.

All 2 people of them..

Ultimately I had both tyres on my old TDI with 365lbft of torque. I did drive it hard (in retrospect stupidly hard for the road, I could have easily wrote the car off), drag race it and all of that.
to ME and my understanding of how the car behaved the Vreds were better overall. In the dry the Eagles perhaps had just a teeny bit more grip but that's at stupid racecar speeds, in the wet the Vreds would cling on far better and in the snow the Vreds would walk all over the Sessantas.

That is my opinion.

Now if someone says that they think the Eagles are better, and they've had both - that's their opinion. That is not to say that either one of us is right - It's subjective.
The only way to verify is for OP to try both. ;)

[Leebo310]

^^^^ everyone (so far) in this thread who've had both the Goodyear's and the Vredestein's rate the GY's as better tyres out of the 2 in question, it's not the other way round.

All 2 people of them..

Ultimately I had both tyres on my old TDI with 365lbft of torque. I did drive it hard (in retrospect stupidly hard for the road, I could have easily wrote the car off), drag race it and all of that.
to ME and my understanding of how the car behaved the Vreds were better overall. In the dry the Eagles perhaps had just a teeny bit more grip but that's at stupid racecar speeds, in the wet the Vreds would cling on far better and in the snow the Vreds would walk all over the Sessantas.

That is my opinion.

Now if someone says that they think the Eagles are better, and they've had both - that's their opinion. That is not to say that either one of us is right - It's subjective.
The only way to verify is for OP to try both. ;)

How have you found the wear on the Vredesteins? I need new fronts on ours and am considering the same two tyres, but also Pirelli P Zero Asimmetrico. I'm tempted to try some of the Vredesteins based on your comments about being better in the snow, but need something that will wear well too.

Cheers mate!

[xjay1337]

I got 20k out of the fronts on my TDI (as I mentioned I drove very hard, lots of wheel spins!)

I've just this lunchtime swapped my Mercs for my RC's and I'd say I've gone down about 3mm tread on the fronts since fitting them in July - About 8k done since then.

[GTI-Ross]

Thanks for all the input guys, i ended up going for the Eagles as they had them in and did a deal at £110 per corner fitted and ballanced. so done deal.

Do will defo try the Vred in future on Jays review  

[xjay1337]

 

[Leebo310]

I got 20k out of the fronts on my TDI (as I mentioned I drove very hard, lots of wheel spins!)

I've just this lunchtime swapped my Mercs for my RC's and I'd say I've gone down about 3mm tread on the fronts since fitting them in July - About 8k done since then.

Cool, that's good to know then! Reckon I'll give them a try!

[GS WAX]

I too have had both,assy 2,s  which I had fitted to my previous eddy and vreds on the current car, even had the GY,s on the current  car as I swapped the wheels to see which to buy as I already had two vreds fitted and couldn't make my mind up whether to buy a pair to match the vreds or get a set of four of something else, in the end the vreds won out but only because of A: I didn't want to nick the wheels of my other eddy because they had been refurbed and B: made more financial sense to buy just a pair.
 At the time the vreds were quieter,but only by a nads, the GY,s seemed more confidence inspiring and looked better, However to be honest neither were anything more than decent mid price tyres for general driving use, of the two, if you rag it then its GY's every time imo.

However.... now I have lived with the vreds for 17k miles I wouldn't buy or recommend them again, agree with some of the above comments that after 50% worn they are now quite noisy and have lost quite a bit of grip ( which is understandable ),

When I come to buy again it will be neither of those two, it will be a Michelin without any hesitation, but I will add that a customer of mine has Dunlop sport maxx RT's on a merc In our 224/40/18 size and they are up there with the best aswell.

My advice to you having been in your situation is to buy whatever pair of tyres  that you would like to have all four of in the future and buy the best you can afford, so if you can stretch to a Premium brand then go for it.

[Beeps]

I ran Asym 2s on my 17" wheels for a year (not XL).

I had them fitted at the same time as having Koni FSDs put on, and immediately I found a problem. I could not keep the car within a lane on a motorway. There was a huge amount of play straight ahead - once turning the grip came back well in the wet and dry, but there was a 1" movement on the steering wheel before anything happened. Any gust of wind veered the car off line. You could not steer the car with one hand. It felt like I had loads of toe-out, scary! They gave me no confidence at all.

Initially I was sure it was the suspension and thought something went wrong during the fitting (sorry Jim). I had two separate full aligns done and had it checked by VW as well as getting the local garage to give me more toe-in. I had run 5 sets of GSD3s on my Mk4 and really rated the Goodyears on that car but did have one rogue tyre that took a year to find.

I then started to experiment with tyre pressures and found I could notice one psi difference - it was the soft tyre walls!
On the fronts they gave the vague steering and on the back it felt like you were getting random rear wheel steer. I had to run over- pressure to stop it hopping like a kangaroo round corners and to stop the back of the car randomly falling away. The over-pressure made the ride even rougher than usual ( I put on the FSDs because they were brilliant on the Mk4, but they don't do much to soften the Mk5, -I don't do track days and most of my time is on the horrid M27, I like some suspension).

Even with 2 psi over-pressure there was a feeling of toe-out, any more pressure and it went from sloppy steering to like driving on ice. I swapped tyres front to back to no effect, and only noticed a slight difference when front to back and left to right. As they are Asym not directional this surprised me as a bad bias should have been seen in the front to back swap - were two of them rogue?

I had not read anything but praise for the Goodyears on this forum and was really surprised with them. There was a tyre test in the States that mentioned this vagueness in the steering but nothing anywhere else. I guess most of you are on 18" and it seems they made that tyre react better, plus people talk about using the XL version. There are therefore 4 different versions of the tyre on our cars and they all react differently.

I changed them to PS3s in the Summer and got my steering back!

My subjective view on the PS3 is that they take 500 miles to bed in. The steering feel is streets ahead but the ride quality and grip on the limits is less than the Asym2. I cannot comment on the wear rate yet. I do miss the extra grip that the Asyms had on the limit  (as long as you are not 1/2 psi low), but do not miss the fear of a windy day!

[Tinytim]

I've had Falkens & now on Nankangs - surprising enough the Nankangs are actually alright. Not found their limit yet!!! Paid £54 a tyre (215/45/18's)

A £54 budget tyre on a gti is crazy in my opinion.

Why have an expensive car then put budget tyres on? I never understand this.

They'll give up when you least expect it.

Get some proper rubber on there.

[richtung]

just a slight revival revival on the thread.

Im after a pair of tyres of the ED30 with the same sort of budget as the OP. I already have the Vreds and fancy a change.
Clickontyres are currently doing:

Michelin Pilot Super Sport 3 for £92 each (after the £40 Michelin fuel offer) + delivery

or

Goodyear Eagle F1 (assymetric2) for £89 each (after Goodyear £20 fuel offer) +delivery

With the price difference being almost negligible, which should i go for?

Thanks

Rich

[Frodo-anni]

just a slight revival revival on the thread.

Im after a pair of tyres of the ED30 with the same sort of budget as the OP. I already have the Vreds and fancy a change.
Clickontyres are currently doing:

Michelin Pilot Super Sport 3 for £92 each (after the £40 Michelin fuel offer) + delivery

or

Goodyear Eagle F1 (assymetric2) for £89 each (after Goodyear £20 fuel offer) +delivery

With the price difference being almost negligible, which should i go for?

Thanks

Rich

I am running both those tyres at the moment. PS3 on the g/f's Leon FR and the Eagle's on my ED30, with day to day use there is very little difference. I do find the ps3 a tad quieter on the Leon, the eagles just edge wet performance on roundabouts.

Cant recommend clickontyres enough, just had my winters fitted to some monza's yesterday. Great service, they were really busy, but said if i leave them come back in two hours he will have them done even though they had 5 cars waiting. Best bit no tyre fitting marks!!!! 

[richtung]

just a slight revival revival on the thread.

Im after a pair of tyres of the ED30 with the same sort of budget as the OP. I already have the Vreds and fancy a change.
Clickontyres are currently doing:

Michelin Pilot Super Sport 3 for £92 each (after the £40 Michelin fuel offer) + delivery

or

Goodyear Eagle F1 (assymetric2) for £89 each (after Goodyear £20 fuel offer) +delivery

With the price difference being almost negligible, which should i go for?

Thanks

Rich

I am running both those tyres at the moment. PS3 on the g/f's Leon FR and the Eagle's on my ED30, with day to day use there is very little difference. I do find the ps3 a tad quieter on the Leon, the eagles just edge wet performance on roundabouts.

Cant recommend clickontyres enough, just had my winters fitted to some monza's yesterday. Great service, they were really busy, but said if i leave them come back in two hours he will have them done even though they had 5 cars waiting. Best bit no tyre fitting marks!!!! 

Thanks Froddo!

I am friendly with a local tyre place who will fit the new tyres, fit new valves and balancing for £5 per wheel.
Just found the PS3's cheaper on another website so will use the clickontyres price buster facility.
If they match it, im looking at £90 delivered for the PS3's.

Either way, ive come to the conclusion that i cant go wrong with either the PS3's or GY F1's..

Thanks

Rich

[Jdmarron]

Currently running PS3's on my edition 30 and they are a formidable tire BUT I have never tried the eagles that everyone raves on about...I've put the PS3's on my last 3 cars so I am some what biased :)

[richtung]

just to keep the thread updated, I ordered the Michelin PS3's for £113 delivered. Have also submitted the my claim for a £40 fuel voucher from Michelin.

Will let you know how I get on...

Rich