Pics of R20.....

[Hurdy]

I'm sorry Mike (Tony Danza), but your theory is a little flawed.

You only have to look at the Scirocco TSI and the Scirocco R to see where VW are going with the R20. I agree in the sense that the R has always been marked out as a different demographic brand to the GTI, but when has VW ever been known to give us what WE want!

The R20 SHOULD be a 4WD 2.5 litre turbo charged car with 300+bhp if we had our way, but as we all know VW has been cutting it's cost base over the last few years and so a dedicated haldex 4WD based car would push it away from this current ethos and I for one will stick my neck out in the opposite direction to say it will be FWD and 2.0TFSI with the K04, tweaked internals, the E-diff, adjustable suspension and will be the first MKVI to have Xenons.

I agree John, apart from the Xenon's bit as the current MkVI GTI has them as an option 

Sorry, I should have added Xenons "as standard" 

[Top Cat]

I am also going to stick my neck out.   There is a couple of reason's why the Rocco did not get the 4 wheel drive, mainly the factory where it is made is not set up for this and there is no room to fit it in the boot. The cost to sort this at a guess would have been to high compared to sales. Where as for the new Golf everything is already in place.
If they want to sell anything with the R badge that can compete with the competition it needs to be 4wd ko4 In my opinion of course.

I am with Danza on this one and as for the dealers knowing, come on Jules dont be silly 

We should all find out soon. 

[BeezerDiesel]

All we can hope for is that the R isn't going to be like the Passat R line (base model with a couple of spoilers!!!) unlike the mighty 4wd R36.
Going on that the Cupra R is going to be 265bhp FWD and the Rocco R is 265bhp FWD my guess is that the Uber Golf will be 265bhp FWD. We'll know for sure in a couple of days I guess. That still gives VW to use the 230/240 bhp variant for anniversary models and maybe runout model mk5.5s. My thinking is that VAG are looking at XDS to replace expensive and heavy 4WD in non Audi applications. The S3 is not exactly revered as an exciting drive in standard form is it, where the GTI is, so maybe it's auf weidersehen(sp) 4WD and V6. 

[Oli]

Seeing as they are taking deposits i expect they are correct mate.

Well considering I have two completed orders for R20's and neither the dealers or VW uk can give any info, I'd say the vote is still out on this one- it'll just work so much better as 4wd, in my view.

Looks like we'll have to wait and see as the consensous is divided!!!

[Jules86]

The R20 SHOULD be a 4WD 2.5 litre turbo charged car

With a name like R20 i expect it will be a 2.0 mate, how awesome would the 2.5 be 

Seeing as they are taking deposits i expect they are correct mate.

Well considering I have two completed orders for R20's and neither the dealers or VW uk can give any info, I'd say the vote is still out on this one- it'll just work so much better as 4wd, in my view.

Looks like we'll have to wait and see as the consensous is divided!!!

I honestly hope your right mate i really do, would love 4wd!

The S3 is not exactly revered as an exciting drive in standard form is it, where the GTI is, so maybe it's auf weidersehen(sp) 4WD and V6.  

The S3 is soulless, its engine is boring and its too 'audi'. Its not its haldex that ruins it.

[Oli]

Agreed on the S3 comments, just souless to drive

[WhiteGTI]

The wheels are lifted from an R8 V10

....I still think they look Gash. Also Bling!

    [Not long until my LeggyRita wheels come!]

Oh I agree. I would even go as far as saying that they are the worst wheel design that I've ever seen.

[RedRobin]

Agreed on the S3 comments, just souless to drive

....Unless, of course, you heavily mod them it seems. Jonnyc's being the most extreme example.

I'm not sure that the S3 owners on this forum would agree though.

[JonnyG]

[Looks like we'll have to wait and see as the consensous is divided!!!

Yep, and the Frankfurt Motor Show starts on Tuesday 15th Sep. for the Press, so not long to wait now perhaps  

[Jules86]

Agreed on the S3 comments, just souless to drive

....Unless, of course, you heavily mod them it seems. Jonnyc's being the most extreme example.

I'm not sure that the S3 owners on this forum would agree though.

Im sure they are great tuned, for me though a car needs to be brilliant without the need to be tuned. I could own my current car without touching a thing on it, something i couldnt do with an S3, GTI and (if the R20 is FWD) the R20.

[Aparoon]

Dont know whether this has been posted..

[VC]

Not very dramatic for a range topper.....

That car should be the Gti, the .:R needs to be smacked with V stick to retain it's heritage

[Manu_R32]

Found this the other day,

http://carscoop.blogspot.com/2009/09/insider-vw-r32-successor-270hp-golf-r.html

[Hurdy]

Found this the other day,

http://carscoop.blogspot.com/2009/09/insider-vw-r32-successor-270hp-golf-r.html

Hmm, I wonder what the "credible" inside source is?

Hope it is true though.

[Peskarik]

I'm sorry Mike (Tony Danza), but your theory is a little flawed.

You only have to look at the Scirocco TSI and the Scirocco R to see where VW are going with the R20. I agree in the sense that the R has always been marked out as a different demographic brand to the GTI, but when has VW ever been known to give us what WE want!

The R20 SHOULD be a 4WD 2.5 litre turbo charged car with 300+bhp if we had our way, but as we all know VW has been cutting it's cost base over the last few years and so a dedicated haldex 4WD based car would push it away from this current ethos and I for one will stick my neck out in the opposite direction to say it will be FWD and 2.0TFSI with the K04, tweaked internals, the E-diff, adjustable suspension and will be the first MKVI to have Xenons.

no way VW would make a 4wd Golf with 2.5 turbo-five from TTRS. TTRS costs 110000 swiss franks with some options, and that is more than 335 with many options! So what would the Golf cost?!