ed30 true bhp

[spliff1star]

ok as u know i have the golf gti 197bhp(that may be remaped??) model not ed30 but i would like to know what the true bhp the ed30 has over my model. i hear it has 20bhp extra,then i hear it has 30bhp extra so what is it? 

[Max Ehovsky]

realy 40 bhp (240 bhp - same as Seat Leon Cupra Engine)

[Poverty]

realy 40 bhp (240 bhp - same as Seat Leon Cupra Engine)

240hp on a dyno?

Cupras seem to dyno around 265hp standard but yes as max has said its the same engine. A k04 is quite a different drive to a k03

[Phil Mcavity]

227bhp to 197bhp. Do the maths  . Rolling roads are a lottery.

Cars dont produce higher then manufactured figures unless modified.

Companys rolling roads will only show estimated not actual in all cases,giving impression they produce "above factory figures".

[Poverty]

Cars dont produce higher then manufactured figures unless modified.

Not always true.

[WhiteHartMart]

Yea - I've always understood that VW are quite cautious in their stated outputs - something like they take 10 test engines and quote the lowest of the 10??

Ed30 has 30bhp over standard - just call me a mathematician 

[Phil Mcavity]

Cars dont produce higher then manufactured figures unless modified.

Not always true.

You believe what you want to. Vw cannot sell a car thats not technically it stated output. Going on different rolling road days will make you think that they dont, and the companys rollers will make you think this too, but as a "Production Car" it wont.

Vw ,SEAT who or whatever production car manufacturers dont just give a rough idea, its fact. (give or take 1-2%)

Hand build engines for example, Aston Martin, are hand built and will be different from car to car.

[john_o]

 
Guys , Phil takes  a strong opinion on this issue , to which I dont subscribe, nor do i wish to discuss again here

As a rough guide relatively its 30-40 bhp peak difference. (all other factors being considered)
Some curves on Awesomes or JKM's dyno pages for you to review (dont get hung up on figures look at the graph shape)
std K03 and std K04 gti have very different power delivery 'feel' , lag is slightly worse on K04
(and prob enhances the turbo spool 'push' wow factor)
K03 is seamless delivery from very low rpm.
The K04 ultimately has higher bhp available to it, both because it started out higher , and because the hardware has what appears to be a higher 'headroom' level for tuning before any shortcomings are hit.

fwiw : TopCats REVO stg2 K03 is just as quick as my stg1 ED30 , they 'feel' very different but the figures suggest they are very close.
both are fantastic cars and dont assume the K04 is necessarily 'better' (but you will want an ED30/Pirelli sometime soon  )
 

[Phil Mcavity]

Guys , Phil takes  a strong opinion on this issue , to which I dont subscribe, nor do i wish to discuss again here

Cheers John_0  

The day that someone actually can proove that a production Engine has performance bhp differences from the exact same made parts. Then im all ears.

Get your car checked out if you cant beat Tc's car  

[Hurdy]

If you look at remap figures you will be able toget up to a true 260-270bhp and 320lbft with a GTI and around 350-360bhp and 360lbft with an Edition 30.

[winrya]

Guys , Phil takes  a strong opinion on this issue , to which I dont subscribe, nor do i wish to discuss again here

Cheers John_0  

The day that someone actually can proove that a production Engine has performance bhp differences from the exact same made parts. Then im all ears.

Get your car checked out if you cant beat Tc's car  

It's often talked about in the motoring press.  My mate went to a rolling road day recently as part of the honda group.  All the standard hondas were running bang on, or slightly below, the tuned ones made only a few more bhp.  There were some alfa gta's which all made a few bhp under claims and a couple of vag tfsi which all made 10-15% more than claims.    That to me proves the accuracy of the rr and the fact that vag are indeed very conservative with figures.

I read that an engineer from bugatti claimed that the veyron actually runs 1100 bhp not 1000bhp.  Another vag engine

[Top Cat]

I actually agree with Mcavity on this point,     but i am not willing to die on my sword  trying to dispute any claims, Because i also have not got a clue. 
I certainly wouldn't enter into every discussion on the point knowing Sweet F.A about it apart from the readings from one rolling road.     

[E30Dom]

Someone say wheelspin ;)

[Phil Mcavity]

Guys , Phil takes  a strong opinion on this issue , to which I dont subscribe, nor do i wish to discuss again here

Cheers John_0 

The day that someone actually can proove that a production Engine has performance bhp differences from the exact same made parts. Then im all ears.

Get your car checked out if you cant beat Tc's car 

I read that an engineer from bugatti claimed that the veyron actually runs 1100 bhp not 1000bhp.  Another vag engine

I agree, and that engine is hand built

[Phil Mcavity]

I actually agree with Mcavity on this point,     but i am not willing to die on my sword  trying to dispute any claims, Because i also have not got a clue. 
I certainly wouldn't enter into every discussion on the point knowing Sweet F.A about it apart from the readings from one rolling road.     

Being an engineer for 10 years, i do know a little about it. And agree dont take for gospel with one rolling road.

I love a good discussion and am not frightened to take part