ed30 true bhp

[Phil Mcavity]

This probably isn't going to add much to this debate (apart from making Phil Mc feel warm and fuzzy!) but when stock I took my Ed30 to the RR day at JKM last year and it produced 232 bhp (i.e 2 more than VW's claimed output). Now as then it is run on an exclusive diet of V-Power.

Pics of the car and map on the day are on the JKM website.

quiet a few have run simular figures shaun on other rolling road days , mine was down on one occasion but that was because of my use of Redex in the fuel tank 
If you fancy another RR day, one coming up on Saturday october 3rd

http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=121304.370

And whats with the warm fuzzy feeling?

[Phil Mcavity]

did you guys say the ed30 engine is identical to the one found in the cupra 240?

Nearly but not quite, accoarding to my sources on the discovery cha.......

[Peskarik]

realy 40 bhp (240 bhp - same as Seat Leon Cupra Engine)

240hp on a dyno?

Cupras seem to dyno around 265hp standard but yes as max has said its the same engine. A k04 is quite a different drive to a k03

265?
I bet that is from car to car and from dyno to dyno.
Be conservative - E30 has 30hp more than GTI.

[Peskarik]

If you look at remap figures you will be able toget up to a true 260-270bhp and 320lbft with a GTI and around 350-360bhp and 360lbft with an Edition 30.

360bhp?  How does that happen?

[Poverty]

If you look at remap figures you will be able toget up to a true 260-270bhp and 320lbft with a GTI and around 350-360bhp and 360lbft with an Edition 30.

360bhp?  How does that happen?

2.5-3 grands worth of mods. All the cupras that have been rolling roaded on loads of different dynos over on scn all made around 265hp.

[john_o]

the key point with that number is that you would need to see what the car produced on the same dyno as std.
then derive a relative bhp difference 

[Hurdy]

If you look at remap figures you will be able toget up to a true 260-270bhp and 320lbft with a GTI and around 350-360bhp and 360lbft with an Edition 30.

360bhp?  How does that happen?

This is with full bolt-ons. The K04 will flow to this as a max when tuned right to the max for fuelling and boost.
Also you have to take into account the dyno lottery.

Last time out mine made 363bhp and 361lbft on Superchip HQ dyno (a little "generous" IMHO)

 

[Golfgirl]

My car was 260bhp standard on Stealth's rollers, and 228bhp on JKM's!

[john_o]

My car was 260bhp standard on Stealth's rollers, and 228bhp on JKM's!

@GolfGirl : which is OK (sort of lol) , if after remap you got 310bhp and 278bhp respectively (e.g. a common +50bhp increase).

@DomT : be good to see what you get 

[Hurdy]

@DomT : be good to see what you get 

Yes, am doing it purely out of science. You'll see from by build thread that dyno readings vary considerably and there are many reasons for this, operator error on correct vehicle strapping, errors on atmospheric perssure correction and so on.... I know that when I go down to JKM I will get results that will allow me to compare all my JKM results consistently. John - have you read Keith's article on Dyno's on the JKM website - a really informative read if you're that way inclined.

I'll be on RS Tunings Dyno Dynamics rollers on the 10th October, which are also renowned for "low" readings.

JonnyC  got 350bhp, so it would be good for mine for a comparison.

[monte]

If you look at remap figures you will be able toget up to a true 260-270bhp and 320lbft with a GTI and around 350-360bhp and 360lbft with an Edition 30.

360bhp?  How does that happen?

This is with full bolt-ons. The K04 will flow to this as a max when tuned right to the max for fuelling and boost.
Also you have to take into account the dyno lottery.



Last time out mine made 363bhp and 361lbft on Superchip HQ dyno (a little "generous" IMHO)

 

What about the Bluefin claims?

http://www.superchips.co.uk/roadtest/VW%20Driver%20May07%20Golf%20GTI%20Edition30.PDF

are these BS? 307HP/401Nm for only £400ish!!! with no other bolt-ons? These claims are from Superchips using there dyno's. So why hasn't everyone got the Bluefin module?

[Hurdy]

You have to take BHP claims from tuners with a pinch of salt. Some quote 295bhp, some 310bhp from a simple remap. The best thing to do is go with a reputable tuner with decent aftersales and support.

[monte]

On the Bluefin pdf i just posted it states...

..."As soon as the Superchips engineers examined the maps in the Edition 30’s ECU in detail, they realised that they weren’t looking at a standard 2.0 T-FSI unit which had been simply tweaked. The ignition timing, boost level, injector timing and other parameters were much more akin to the basic settings used for the new S3. With its stronger engine block, upgraded bearings, stronger conrods and a different alloy for the cylinder head, as well as a bigger intercooler, different valve timing and bigger injectors, plus a revised turbo giving greater boost, Superchips had already re-mapped the S3 unit up to over 300 bhp, and there was no reason why they couldn’t do much the same to the Edition 30 GTI.

are they talking about the differences between the Edition30 and the standard GTi?
i thought the only difference was the Bigger Turbo!

[monte]

You have to take BHP claims from tuners with a pinch of salt. Some quote 295bhp, some 310bhp from a simple remap. The best thing to do is go with a reputable tuner with decent aftersales and support.

Are superchips not reputable??

[Hurdy]

They are talking about the difference between a GTI and an ED30. Most people thought that it was a simple remap that gave the extra power to the ED30 when it first came out and we were mocked for buying them. It was subsequently found that the ED30 had several differences to it's engine over the GTI and so we now mock those who mocked us