MK5 Golf Gti Judder on idle

[shizy01]

Hi Guys,

Need some help with the golf gti BWA engine, it takes ages warming up! but the temperature readings are fine. There is a judder when cold and warm, it comes and goes. I have had it on VCDS and the log is:


00-Steering Angle Sensor -- Status: OK 0000
01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
56-Radio -- Status: Malfunction 0010
 
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Address 01: Engine        Labels: 06F-907-115-AXX.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 907 115 J    HW: 8P0 907 115 B
   Component: 2.0l R4/4V TFSI     0030  
   Revision: --H14---    Serial number: VWZ7Z0F8074443
   Coding: 0403000318070060
   Shop #: WSC 00158 210 88194
   VCID: 2D5B7810B40A216

No fault code found.
Readiness: 0000 0000

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Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels: 1K0-907-379-MK60-F.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 907 379 AC    HW: 1K0 907 379 AC
   Component: ESP FRONT MK60      0101  
   Revision: 00H11001    
   Coding: 0004738
   Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
   VCID: 73EFAE6812AE376

No fault code found.

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Address 08: Auto HVAC        Labels: 1K0-907-044.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 907 044 BH    HW: 1K0 907 044 BH
   Component: ClimatronicPQ35 090 0909  
   Revision: 00090016    Serial number: 00000000000000
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: 6ED9BF1C798C1AE

No fault code found.

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Address 09: Cent. Elect.        Labels: 3C0-937-049-23-H.lbl
   Part No SW: 3C0 937 049 E    HW: 3C0 937 049 E
   Component: Bordnetz-SG     H37 1002  
   Revision: 00H37000    Serial number: 00000005969614
   Coding: E58D0F2700041500001400001400000000087F075C
   Shop #: WSC 00000 785 00200
   VCID: 2B5F76088A1E2F6

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1K2 955 119 E  Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB
   Component: Wischer 140706 020  0501  
   Coding: 00038805
   Shop #: WSC 00000  

   Subsystem 2 - Part No: 1K0 955 559 AE  Labels: 1K0-955-559-AF.CLB
   Component: RLS     190706 014  1201  
   Coding: 00208933
   Shop #: WSC 00000  

No fault code found.

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Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 1K0-909-605.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 909 605 T    HW: 1K0 909 605 T
   Component: 38 AIRBAG VW8   020 2300  
   Revision: 05020000    Serial number: 0038PD0MNG8W  
   Coding: 0013112
   Shop #: WSC 01269 785 00200
   VCID: 3D7B4850646AB16

No fault code found.

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Address 16: Steering wheel        Labels: 1K0-953-549-MY8.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 953 549 BC    HW: 1K0 953 549 BC
   Component: Lenksäulenmodul 035 0070  
   Coding: 0000012
   Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
   VCID: 74EDAD7417A030E

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments        Labels: 1K0-920-xxx-17.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K6 920 963     HW: 1K6 920 963
   Component: KOMBIINSTRUMENT VDD 1610  
   Revision: V0003000    Serial number: VWZ7Z0F8074443
   Coding: 0003403
   Shop #: WSC 00011 888 96745
   VCID: EFE72218FE86936

No fault code found.

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Address 19: CAN Gateway        Labels: 1K0-907-530.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 907 530 H    HW: 1K0 907 951
   Component: J533__Gateway   H12 0150  
   Revision:   H12       Serial number: 31001067110499
   Coding: 3D0F034007000001
   Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
   VCID: 2C5D75148F1028E

No fault code found.

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Address 25: Immobilizer        Labels: 1K0-920-xxx-25.clb
   Part No SW: 1K6 920 963     HW: 1K6 920 963
   Component: IMMO            VDD 1610  
   Revision: V0003000    Serial number: VWZ7Z0F8074443
   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
   VCID: EFE72218FE86936

No fault code found.

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Address 42: Door Elect, Driver        Labels: 1K0-959-701-MIN3.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 959 701 M    HW: 1K0 959 701 M
   Component: Tuer-SG         005 0968  
   Coding: 0000564
   Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
   VCID: 387559444B4894E

No fault code found.

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Address 44: Steering Assist        Labels: 1Kx-909-14x-44.clb
   Part No: 1K2 909 144 L
   Component: EPS_ZFLS Kl.074 H07 1806  
   Shop #: WSC 00000 028 00001
   VCID: 356B50705C5A696

No fault code found.

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Address 46: Central Conv.        Labels: 1K0-959-433-MIN.clb
   Part No: 1K0 959 433 AJ
   Component:    KSG              0401  
   Coding: 01C802087F2D8405485AC69010CC
   Shop #: WSC 00000 785 00200
   VCID: 78F599440BC854E

   Part No: 1K0 951 605 C
   Component: LIN BACKUP HORN H03 1301

   Part No: 1K0 951 178
   Component: Neigungssensor  001 0101

   Part No: 1K0 951 178
   Component: Innenraumueberw.001 0101

No fault code found.

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Address 52: Door Elect, Pass.        Labels: 1K0-959-702-MIN3.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 959 702 M    HW: 1K0 959 702 M
   Component: Tuer-SG         005 0968  
   Coding: 0000564
   Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
   VCID: 39735C4070428D6

No fault code found.

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Address 56: Radio        Labels: 1K0-035-1xx-56.lbl
   Part No: 1K0 035 186 R
   Component: Radio BVX       020 0032  
   Coding: 0040400
   Shop #: WSC 01279 785 00200
   VCID: 356B50705C5A696

1 Fault Found:
01044 - Control Module Incorrectly Coded
            000 -  -

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So no faults found, I have had a full service, new spark plugs & coils from kwikfit. Fuel filter has also been done. The does have intermittent power, it seems under powered. Anyone got any ideas? I have VCDS so if you want me to run any further test il get onto it! thanks

[bacillus]

May be an idea to do Round 4 logging for misfire specific diagnosis.
http://www.goapr.com/support/datalogging.php

[shizy01]

il give that a try! Just feels really slugish, the pcv is ok and has had a new DV (revision D) Just takes a very long time to get warm and the judder every few minutes. The revs dont fluctuate. Last week i had a code 00315 Low Fuel Pressure, but since ive erased it, it has not come back!

[shizy01]

changed the cam follower today, wierd thing i now have my power back! The follower was worn out. Still the judder on idle tho..

[Saintsteve]

changed the cam follower today, wierd thing i now have my power back! The follower was worn out. Still the judder on idle tho..

Sounds like injector ?

Live log misfires on each cylinder and that may reveal your answer 

[shizy01]

cheers sainsteve, just checked and missfires on cylinder 3, it missfires like 5 or 6 then stops. do you think its injector or coil pack?

thanks

[bacillus]

Swap coil pack 3 with coil pack 1 and re-log. If the misfires move over to cylinder 1 then you have a faulty coilpack.

[john_o]

if the follower had worn out , how was the camshaft? 
Given you have a BWA do you have an early revision camshaft?

[Saintsteve]

cheers sainsteve, just checked and missfires on cylinder 3, it missfires like 5 or 6 then stops. do you think its injector or coil pack?

thanks

Do as bacillus says, if fault moves, you've found the cause.
I had the exact same fault, and it was my injector. Won't show as an error on VCDS, but used to show misfires on idle , the longer it idled ,the worse it got, especially from cold starting it was rough as hell.

[shizy01]

guys, swapped the coil pack as advised definately is the injector! it misfires on cylinder 3 with the coil pack swapped! i have found an injector but its from a 2010 Audi TT BWA engine with the same part number as the mk5 golf gti, do you think the injector will work? this is the link on ebay http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/221296011564?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

thanks guys! Im going to get the garage to remove the inlet manifold, dont feel confident enough!