Clay Cloth

[cuprajake]

While i have used clay. I still don't see the point. If the cars cleaned properly before machining then there's no need to clay.

Clay for me is fairly gimmicky. While it does have its place for the home user who won't be machining the car.

I've machined my cars for years without clay to no I'll effect or difference in end result

[petesimcock]

I disagree. But I'm not a man of vast experience. Do you not get through pads quickly? And have trouble getting consistent results?

[cuprajake]

Not really.

Depends on the pads and products used I suppose.

We use the 3m perfect it range but I mix 3m pads with indasa pads. We also use trizact pads sometimes dependant on the job.

If you use products that strip wax, tar, etc your only going to be left with some contamination, this may be overspray if from a body shop. Or just general crud. But we managed to get amazing results before the clay came onto the scene.

I'd even go as far as saying using something like tar and glue to saturate and melt the tar to be removed by cloth is better than smearing it all over the panel. The minute you pick up the slightest bit of debris the clays ruined.

[wilmott1980]

I have sold a few of these now and the feedback has all been good so far, I think these clay cloths could get popular...

Will there be a sale thread for these at all Mandy??

[petesimcock]

Not really.

Depends on the pads and products used I suppose.

We use the 3m perfect it range but I mix 3m pads with indasa pads. We also use trizact pads sometimes dependant on the job.

If you use products that strip wax, tar, etc your only going to be left with some contamination, this may be overspray if from a body shop. Or just general crud. But we managed to get amazing results before the clay came onto the scene.

I'd even go as far as saying using something like tar and glue to saturate and melt the tar to be removed by cloth is better than smearing it all over the panel. The minute you pick up the slightest bit of debris the clays ruined.

These cloths won't remove tar, so it's essential to de tar beforehand. I have always wondered about claying before machine polishing and if the paint ends up silky smooth. I'd be interested to see a 50/50 for sure!

[cuprajake]

as in?

a machine rotating at 1200rpm, with compound on a cutting pad vs a glorified piece of blue-tac and a guy and his arm,

??? i know which id choose, clays something aimed at the weekend warrior, then they get hyped up and the bs means you can add another £50 onto a 'detail'

[petesimcock]

I mean a panel machine polished in the same way but one half clayed and the other half not

[xjay1337]

You should decontaminate the paint before polishing to ensure theres nothing that could either damage the pad, effecting the cutting action,  or damage the paint by grinding between the pad and the paint, or cause the pad to stick on a section.

I can see jakes side of it.but wouldn't personally agree. Whatever works for him.

Ps ultrafina is the bollox

[cuprajake]

Ultrafina seems to be quite full of fillers.

Just an add on from the original range. They used to have a finishing glaze/machine polish.

My point is clay has only been around for a short while,

I'm machining mine this weekend, today I had the car on the ramp after a good g101 decreasing wash, on the ramp I've cleaned the panels with atomized tardis, the panels, door shuts and under sills are now free from any debris, in left with a virgin paint surface to work on.

[Mandy]

I have sold a few of these now and the feedback has all been good so far, I think these clay cloths could get popular...

Will there be a sale thread for these at all Mandy??

I'll pm you Lee...

[xjay1337]

Ultrafina seems to be quite full of fillers.

Just an add on from the original range. They used to have a finishing glaze/machine polish.

My point is clay has only been around for a short while,

I'm machining mine this weekend, today I had the car on the ramp after a good g101 decreasing wash, on the ramp I've cleaned the panels with atomized tardis, the panels, door shuts and under sills are now free from any debris, in left with a virgin paint surface to work on.

It seems to finish off really nicely. Did some work on a Porsche a few weekends ago, on soft paint finishes it's refining ability is amazing and it can be worked for such a long time - lovely to use.

Not teaching you to suck eggs jake but if you feel your paint does it still feel rough? And have you hit it with a fallout remover as the iron particles are what do the damage in my experience.

[rich83]

Dude... jake has been working in a body shop since you were still filling your nappy. I think its safe to say he knows what he is doing. 

[xjay1337]

Dude.... bodyshop is not the same as detailers! Hence why most cars come FROM the bodyshop to detailers.. the state of most paint is shocking.
I know the quality of Jake's work i've seen it in the flesh and enough on the forums i know he can get the results, we are discussing as people who do paint correction about results when not claying vs claying... go back to your shed wigley-trumpet. 

[rich83]

Dude.... bodyshop is not the same as detailers! Hence why most cars come FROM the bodyshop to detailers.. the state of most paint is shocking.
I know the quality of Jake's work i've seen it in the flesh and enough on the forums i know he can get the results, we are discussing as people who do paint correction about results when not claying vs claying... go back to your shed wigley-trumpet. 

Shut up... and kiss your dent better. 

[xjay1337]

How many bolts are holding your bonnet on?