My ED30 v RS Focus

[tinto]

Are the diff issues (pulling/tugging) mentioned in the original post what can be expected if a Peloquin/Quaife is put in a high powered Golf?

[Sunglasses Ron]

Residuals on the RS will be great, and a stage 2 plus RS runs 375hp and 80lbft more torque than a stage 2 plus ed30, so a stage 2 plus RS will be the quicker car by some margin unless the golf has a diff fitted.

I'll believe the output figures, but I need to see actual speed figures

I've yet to see a well modified, remapped ST (that is lighter than the RS) make better than 14 seconds on a qtr strip.

I partially agree with TC, in that there will always be an unfair STD v's Modified comparison, but it does still make sense when you look at the costs of both to do the comparison.

Totally agree with John. Whilst (like TC says) it's unfair to compare modded vs standard, when you look at the money involved it can still be used as a comparison IMO (standard RS, or near new ED30 with a few mods and a lot of change). I suppose a better test will be the Golf R vs RS. As they will be similar money and similar in performance judging by the figures.
I myself am more interested in a battle between a modded ED30 and a modded RS. Yes the RS will always be fancied on track (although it would be interesting to see a diff equipped ED30 compete against one), but I don't go on track so doesn't really bother me  . Also, other than Jamsport's own claims of 375bhp from THEIR demo RS. I have yet to see these figures supported. But if some of the ST's so called 300 & 330 conversions are anything to go by then it won't be anywhere near.. 
I know one thing though and that is I wait with anticipation to see a well driven one run at the Pod. Just can't see it's heavy ass getting anywhere near the 12's  If it does I will be the first to give it respect..

[Janner_Sy]

power isnt everything though. dont dforget when perfomance car did the feature with the new RS and the Revotechnil Leon. the leon absolutley annihalated it in every acceleration increment by a huge amount. the available torque was letting it put identical times to the focus when using one gear ratio higher than the RS which is testement to the setup.

But on the track, with a 60bhp deficit and an a big difference in torque the RS still beat the leon by a second. It might have the diff but its still on std suspension, the leon has KW V3 coilovers, and ARBs fitted.

[s3dubbin]

Theres a big meet at crail raceway this weekend - Fastford day but theres a little comp goin on where the mk2 rs boys are winding the mk2 s3 boys up saying their 350bhp 400lb rs's will be humping the audi's up the 1/4 i have ran a few times my best being a 13.6sec and yes i have yet to see the 300/330bhp st boys break into the 13's but there is still a little worry there with the rs being a whole new (lardy) ball game!

[Poverty]

Theres a big meet at crail raceway this weekend - Fastford day but theres a little comp goin on where the mk2 rs boys are winding the mk2 s3 boys up saying their 350bhp 400lb rs's will be humping the audi's up the 1/4 i have ran a few times my best being a 13.6sec and yes i have yet to see the 300/330bhp st boys break into the 13's but there is still a little worry there with the rs being a whole new (lardy) ball game!

Good luck lads, you guys are gonna need it, but should still pip those RS's.

[Pummy]

But on the track, with a 60bhp deficit and an a big difference in torque the RS still beat the leon by a second. It might have the diff but its still on std suspension, the leon has KW V3 coilovers, and ARBs fitted.

for a track weapon, no doubt the RS has a newer generation of fancy bits, but on the street where the real day to day usage and comparison is made, there will be no difference large enough to justify the gap in cost.

[Hurdy]

Theres a big meet at crail raceway this weekend - Fastford day but theres a little comp goin on where the mk2 rs boys are winding the mk2 s3 boys up saying their 350bhp 400lb rs's will be humping the audi's up the 1/4 i have ran a few times my best being a 13.6sec and yes i have yet to see the 300/330bhp st boys break into the 13's but there is still a little worry there with the rs being a whole new (lardy) ball game!

Ooooh, keep us posted

Think we ought to drag Jonnyc back from the USA for this

[Greeners]

Theres a big meet at crail raceway this weekend - Fastford day but theres a little comp goin on where the mk2 rs boys are winding the mk2 s3 boys up saying their 350bhp 400lb rs's will be humping the audi's up the 1/4 i have ran a few times my best being a 13.6sec and yes i have yet to see the 300/330bhp st boys break into the 13's but there is still a little worry there with the rs being a whole new (lardy) ball game!

Ooooh, keep us posted

Think we ought to drag Jonnyc back from the USA for this

4 wheel drive FTW! 

[JPC]

Theres a big meet at crail raceway this weekend - Fastford day but theres a little comp goin on where the mk2 rs boys are winding the mk2 s3 boys up saying their 350bhp 400lb rs's will be humping the audi's up the 1/4 i have ran a few times my best being a 13.6sec and yes i have yet to see the 300/330bhp st boys break into the 13's but there is still a little worry there with the rs being a whole new (lardy) ball game!

Ooooh, keep us posted

Think we ought to drag Jonnyc back from the USA for this

4 wheel drive FTW! 

oh really? do i need to read into that any further mr impulse buyer?! ;)(

[Janner_Sy]

I actually think it would be more evenly matched by rating a stage 2+ k03 GTI against the std RS. They will be much more closely matched engine wise.

the mountune ST(id say this was the main competitor for a stage 2+ gti) beat the RS in the acceleration tests so id bet the GTI in stage2+ guise could as well.

[Greeners]

Theres a big meet at crail raceway this weekend - Fastford day but theres a little comp goin on where the mk2 rs boys are winding the mk2 s3 boys up saying their 350bhp 400lb rs's will be humping the audi's up the 1/4 i have ran a few times my best being a 13.6sec and yes i have yet to see the 300/330bhp st boys break into the 13's but there is still a little worry there with the rs being a whole new (lardy) ball game!

Ooooh, keep us posted

Think we ought to drag Jonnyc back from the USA for this

4 wheel drive FTW! 

oh really? do i need to read into that any further mr impulse buyer?! ;)(

Nope! 

[jhtrophy]

think its problem is competition, if you want a fast well built road car you would get the ed30, cupra, s3, if you want track action r26r, if you want a bag of pump an st, oops did i just say that?

[tony_danza]

I'm not sure I get the "RS vs ED30" comparison, as far as to suggest you could buy a 3 year old ED30 and spend £x,xxx modding it to beat a standard car. What does that prove?

Think back to what an ED30 cost new, spec it accordingly, adding whatever Recaro CSs were as an option on R32s and then the cost of all the parts and fitting to make an ED30 go, stop and corner - you're WAY over £30k.

1/4 mile action means cock all to me. The fact the standard RS was a second quicker round a track than Revo's Leon means everything. The Leon is at the top of its game power wise on a KO4, suspension, brakes & other mods... the RS still has masses of headroom for improvement.

[Hurdy]

I'm not sure I get the "RS vs ED30" comparison, as far as to suggest you could buy a 3 year old ED30 and spend £x,xxx modding it to beat a standard car. What does that prove?

Think back to what an ED30 cost new, spec it accordingly, adding whatever Recaro CSs were as an option on R32s and then the cost of all the parts and fitting to make an ED30 go, stop and corner - you're WAY over £30k.

1/4 mile action means cock all to me. The fact the standard RS was a second quicker round a track than Revo's Leon means everything. The Leon is at the top of its game power wise on a KO4, suspension, brakes & other mods... the RS still has masses of headroom for improvement.

The leon didn't have a quaife diff fitted though. I'd personally like to make a bet that an Ed 30 with uprated springs, revo stage 1, a quaife and an r32 brake upgrade would be faster than a stock RS on a track.
So that would be £2.5k of mods on a car that was £22.5k when new.
Seems a good comparison.

Most of all "you don't end up with a Ford!"

[Sunglasses Ron]

1/4 mile action means cock all to me. The fact the standard RS was a second quicker round a track than Revo's Leon means everything. The Leon is at the top of its game power wise on a KO4, suspension, brakes & other mods... the RS still has masses of headroom for improvement.

Because it had no diff... 360bhp through a Leon front wheels when exiting a slow corner in 2nd on standard rubber is going to be pretty useless without a diff. I agree the RS is better set up for the track, but it is also over 2 years newer development wise too. Diffs are becoming more of a common fixture in new hot hatches at the min (albeit a electronic diff in the new Golf R) as the power is rising but not all are having to go with 4wd (namely the RS) as chassis and suspension development has come on no end in the past few years.
I feel it's down to the individual on what he wants more from a motor. I personally prefer to have a car that handles well but rips when coming off a RA, slip road etc and can stick with 95% of the cars I meet on the road, rather than a car that isn't as quick in a straight line, but can take on the Stelvio Pass with ease.. Where as I know there are many on here who are the complete opposite.