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Re: Water/methanol Injection thread
« Reply #30 on: November 03, 2009, 11:28:34 am »
I believe the 2.0tfsi kit is connected to the MAF this then controls how much meth is released - seems a more sensible and safer method than than the generic kits

Im pretty tempted by it  :happy2:



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Re: Water/methanol Injection thread
« Reply #31 on: November 03, 2009, 11:42:07 am »
Ahhh right, I was under the impression Methanol was quite a dangerous/poisonous substance and therefore would arouse suspicion buying in bulk. I'd have thought there'd be laws on storing it too?
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Re: Water/methanol Injection thread
« Reply #32 on: November 03, 2009, 12:44:17 pm »
Quote from: GTIjames on November 03, 2009, 11:28:34 am
I believe the 2.0tfsi kit is connected to the MAF this then controls how much meth is released - seems a more sensible and safer method than than the generic kits

Im pretty tempted by it  :happy2:


GROUP buy via DUBtek anyone?
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Re: Water/methanol Injection thread
« Reply #33 on: November 03, 2009, 01:16:12 pm »
Quote from: tony_danza on November 03, 2009, 11:42:07 am
Ahhh right, I was under the impression Methanol was quite a dangerous/poisonous substance and therefore would arouse suspicion buying in bulk. I'd have thought there'd be laws on storing it too?

I had no problems buying a 230 litre drum of the stuff, 99.9% pure.  It is stored (sealed) at my mate's garage, so is safe enough.  Just best to not be smoking when draining some off for my car....  :rolleye:
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Re: Water/methanol Injection thread
« Reply #34 on: November 03, 2009, 02:11:40 pm »
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Re: Water/methanol Injection thread
« Reply #35 on: November 03, 2009, 02:27:23 pm »
Ok i dont want to get blasted again but im only trying to help by posting the following.

I have seen a few meth installs go wrong and basically F*ck up the throttle body...

so another issue to post here would be, where would be the best place to inject the meth/water?

some people do it right into the TB resulting in this...

Red stains are from the meth...



Broken flap...


install location...
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Re: Water/methanol Injection thread
« Reply #36 on: November 03, 2009, 04:51:13 pm »
Quote from: simonskerton on November 03, 2009, 08:04:49 am
justin have you go tnay pics of the install and whre the controller is placed withi.n the car

I dont have any pics but there are two places people seem to like it best. First is inside the change tray. Second is actually on the dash just above the steering column.

I am working on modifying a New South Boost Gauge column pod to mount one too...
Quote from: tony_danza on November 03, 2009, 10:25:46 am
Taking this back to base level - where do you buy methanol and how do you clean your screen if the injection is using that tank?

I dont know what you have over there but Window washer fluid here is a 60/40 Mixture of Water/Methanol. A lot of guys just use window washer fluid for there W/M Kits. I prefer to Buy a Gallon of raw Methanol and mix it my self and use it to wash my "screen" ... 

Quote from: cuprak1 on November 03, 2009, 11:19:15 am
i am curious as to why there is a specific 2.0T FSI water meth kit as apposed to the universal ones

There isn't a 2.0t speciffic kit. There are VW kits that work with the VW MAP sensor... the Stage 2 kit that I recommend is compatible with the 1.8t 2.0t G60 and a few others. 
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Re: Water/methanol Injection thread
« Reply #37 on: November 03, 2009, 04:59:26 pm »
Quote from: justin@bsh on November 03, 2009, 04:51:13 pm
There isn't a 2.0t speciffic kit. There are VW kits that work with the VW MAP sensor... the Stage 2 kit that I recommend is compatible with the 1.8t 2.0t G60 and a few others. 

what be this one mate?

http://www.jabbasport.com/store/index.php?app=gbu0&ns=prodshow&ref=2001220TFSI

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Re: Water/methanol Injection thread
« Reply #38 on: November 03, 2009, 05:01:37 pm »
Quote from: cuprak1 on November 03, 2009, 02:27:23 pm
Ok i dont want to get blasted again but im only trying to help by posting the following.

I have seen a few meth installs go wrong and basically F*ck up the throttle body...

so another issue to post here would be, where would be the best place to inject the meth/water?

some people do it right into the TB resulting in this...

install location...


Excellent question?

I don't know about the red stain. I would say that is more from using a mixture with some sort of conditioner in it. When you buy Methanol you need to make sure it is "Neat"... that means it is completely raw.

I have seen one where the throttle body has gotten stuck but in this cases there was a larger size nozzle being used. I relay don't see this as a big issue seeing as though this problem was cured by a quick wipe down of the TB and a quick squirt of silicone spray into the center pin. I reinstalled it back on the customers car and it has been working just fine since. ( this was about a year ago)
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Re: Water/methanol Injection thread
« Reply #39 on: November 03, 2009, 05:28:09 pm »
Quote from: cuprak1 on November 03, 2009, 04:59:26 pm
Quote from: justin@bsh on November 03, 2009, 04:51:13 pm
There isn't a 2.0t speciffic kit. There are VW kits that work with the VW MAP sensor... the Stage 2 kit that I recommend is compatible with the 1.8t 2.0t G60 and a few others. 

what be this one mate?

http://www.jabbasport.com/store/index.php?app=gbu0&ns=prodshow&ref=2001220TFSI

Snow Performance Stage 2 2.0T FSI Boost Cooler

sorry, I was referring to Devils Own... The snow MAF kit is car specific because the different MAF signals...
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Re: Water/methanol Injection thread
« Reply #40 on: November 04, 2009, 12:58:28 pm »
found some pics of an install here.
so here is another option of where to have the mixture injected.





im very interested in a group buy if dubtek wants to sort something out for us.

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Re: Water/methanol Injection thread
« Reply #41 on: November 04, 2009, 01:02:26 pm »
@justin

my car is a K03 TFSI, at stage 2+ and ive been considering an intercooler as on multiple dyno runs my car does suffer with a little bit of heatsoak.

Am i right in saying that with the water meth mixture reducing the inlet temps etc that this should do the same job to a certain degree if not just as well.

I will be getting an intercooler either way, but wasnt going to get it until summer. Obviously both wil be better

Sy :happy2:
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Re: Water/methanol Injection thread
« Reply #42 on: November 04, 2009, 04:43:26 pm »
Quote from: simonskerton on November 04, 2009, 12:58:28 pm
found some pics of an install here.
so here is another option of where to have the mixture injected.
im very interested in a group buy if dubtek wants to sort something out for us.

That is Little Reds car! He is one of our best customers...
Direct port injection does very little for cooling IAT's it is more used for a fueling substitute.

Quote from: simonskerton on November 04, 2009, 01:02:26 pm
@justin

my car is a K03 TFSI, at stage 2+ and ive been considering an intercooler as on multiple dyno runs my car does suffer with a little bit of heatsoak.

Am i right in saying that with the water meth mixture reducing the inlet temps etc that this should do the same job to a certain degree if not just as well.

I will be getting an intercooler either way, but wasn't going to get it until summer. Obviously both wil be better

Sy :happy2:

You are absolutely correct. Most people use W/M in substitution of an FMIC. I'm with you on running both though. :happy2:
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Re: Water/methanol Injection thread
« Reply #43 on: November 04, 2009, 07:23:33 pm »
is it possible to get a pic of other places to install the nozzles please.
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Re: Water/methanol Injection thread
« Reply #44 on: November 04, 2009, 07:39:04 pm »
Most people will inject post intercooler, whether stock or not, so I would imagine cooling effects are negligible.  Mine injects right after my front mount and it has about 3 feet of intercooler pipework to the manifold to get an even distribution in the charged air.  Have to admit though, I was well impressed with the spray action of the snow performance nozzles.  A real fine mist which is perfect.
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