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Manchester Derby (On now **possible spoilers**)
« on: March 25, 2014, 07:57:53 pm »
Well.

United's start at home was ideal.


...For Everton, Spurs and Arsenal  :laugh: :grin: :signLOL:
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Re: Manchester Derby (On now **possible spoilers**)
« Reply #1 on: March 26, 2014, 08:56:31 am »
In moyes we trust pete
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Re: Manchester Derby (On now **possible spoilers**)
« Reply #2 on: March 26, 2014, 09:51:00 am »
Theatre of dreams....lmao.....chamber of horrors!!!!
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Re: Manchester Derby (On now **possible spoilers**)
« Reply #3 on: March 26, 2014, 10:52:18 pm »
City will be the top team in Manchester for a good few years. Utd fans get used to it  :smiley:
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Re: Manchester Derby (On now **possible spoilers**)
« Reply #4 on: March 27, 2014, 07:50:18 am »
Tbf they should be with the hundreds of millions they have had pumped into them,

At least United made there own wealth. Now it's time for them to spend and buy the title back like city/Chelsea have done for Years
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Re: Manchester Derby (On now **possible spoilers**)
« Reply #5 on: March 27, 2014, 09:38:03 am »
Lol...sounds a little bitter!!^^^^^^^
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Re: Manchester Derby (On now **possible spoilers**)
« Reply #6 on: March 27, 2014, 01:18:45 pm »
In moyes we trust pete

I'd like to see him given two or three seasons grace Andy, but I can see United being the next Chelsea if there's no silverwear by the end of 2015, meaning they'll jump from high profile manager to high profile manager, season after season.

That said, if you brought someone like Guus Hiddink in to steady the ship, I think an experienced manager like him would do a fine job. Wasn't he unbeaten while at Chelsea? He seemed to take to the Premier league naturally.
For me, you can only sack Moyes if someone like Hiddink is lined up, ready.

Tbf they should be with the hundreds of millions they have had pumped into them,

At least United made there own wealth. Now it's time for them to spend and buy the title back like city/Chelsea have done for Years

Simply not the Glaziers' intention, is it.
This is why they're disliked by the majority of the Utd fanbase.

It's well known the Glaziers as a corporation are in hundreds of millions of dollars of debt and they intend on using United as an outlet to sustain the turnover of money, not to invest billions into it like the Sheiks and Abramovic have/will.
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Re: Manchester Derby (On now **possible spoilers**)
« Reply #7 on: March 27, 2014, 09:11:16 pm »
This buying the title crap makes me laugh

Utd's starting 11 cost more than city's and the 11 on the pitch at the end also cost more than city's

Bitter bitter Utd fans cannot swallow the fact that they are not even the best team in Manchester anymore let alone the country

They benefited from the premier leg setup and the sky money as they happened to be a top team at that point so the fact a sheikh comes along with good intentions is just tough luck   :grin:
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Re: Manchester Derby (On now **possible spoilers**)
« Reply #8 on: March 27, 2014, 09:38:46 pm »
Tbf they should be with the hundreds of millions they have had pumped into them,

At least United made there own wealth. Now it's time for them to spend and buy the title back like city/Chelsea have done for Years

Excellent point! I make this point on a regular basis.

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Re: Manchester Derby (On now **possible spoilers**)
« Reply #9 on: March 28, 2014, 09:21:46 am »
an article written by a Utd supporting journalist at the Manchester Evening News :

Shrewd City's eye for value showing United up

When you look at the two line-ups in Tueday’s one-sided derby, it is clear the Reds have been spending their way to mediocrity – their starting XI at Old Trafford cost £181m, and a superior City team cost £168m.

Well, at least United fans can console themselves that they haven’t bought their way to success, eh?

There are some staggering statistics which suggest that when it comes to Sir Alex Ferguson’s old mantra of ‘value for money’, City have been streets ahead of United in recent years.

Rio Ferdinand cost almost half as much again as the entire Blues defence, including Joe Hart. Marouane Fellaini cost more than Yaya Toure, David Silva and Samir Nasri, who weaved such elegant patterns around the floundering Belgian.

Juan Mata’s £37m fee overshadows the £30m City shelled out for the outstanding Fernandinho – a fee which some dismissed as over-priced at the time. No longer – the Brazilian has been a huge factor in taking City to the next level.

The Blues have been accused of ruining football, yet the evidence against United is there for all to see.

Spending record amounts on players is what inflates the transfer market, and United’s team on Tuesday included players who represent English record fees for a goalkeeper, defender and teenager. Even more daunting for the Reds is the amount of investment in players they need to achieve parity with a City team which will strengthen again this summer.



They might also consider that the Sheikh’s broad-based investment means City’s superiority goes much deeper than the first team.

The Blues are also better at every level below the first team – and that is acknowledged by Reds coach Phil Neville and their striker Robin van Persie, whose own sons are in the Blues academy.

Of course, youth development is an uncertain area, but there are far more prospects in the City set-up – both English and foreign – than there are at Carrington.

The money ploughed into developing the academy and its facilities, which will blossom into the crowning achievement of the Etihad Campus next year, is likely to be Sheikh Mansour’s greatest legacy to City, to Manchester and to English football.

Anyone who thinks that is over-blowing the facts should know that the Blues’ academy is largely stocked by local boys.

The flippant accusation levelled at City since Sheikh Mansour’s take-over is that their rise is somehow artificial, buoyed up by unearned money, and that it is all a little tasteless.

It is utter bunkum, of course. The investment from Abu Dhabi has been a good one – the motive was to boost the name of the emirate, and its state airline Etihad, and the association with City has done just that.

Etihad’s profits have surged since 2008, and the association with this classy City team enhances the airline’s reputation, while Abu Dhabi is now on the map as a tourist destination – something in which City have also played a big part. It is laughable United fans criticise a major investment by City’s owners which has been hugely beneficial to both parties, while the Reds’ owners have plunged their club into debt.

It is even dafter that Uefa thinks Sheikh Mansour’s investment, a huge boost to football and the community in Manchester, needs investigating under the Fair Play system, while the plunder of United is not.

Of course it is dangerous to dismiss United – they remain a great club with a big global standing. But it is City who are setting the pace in

Manchester now, and the Reds are limping along in their wake.
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Re: Manchester Derby (On now **possible spoilers**)
« Reply #10 on: March 28, 2014, 02:03:42 pm »
The 5 year spending of Citeh and Chelsea is several times that of any other Premier league club. While the comparative squad costs are interesting, United's costs are spread over a longer period.

Moyes signings havent worked out so far. Mata could do well but Fellaini has flopped. Everton tactics at MUFC...Who are now playing better football under Martinez.

There are some similarities between Woy Hodgsons reign at Liverpool/England and Moyes at United.
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Re: Manchester Derby (On now **possible spoilers**)
« Reply #11 on: March 28, 2014, 03:35:27 pm »
Don't forget the inflated fees that Utd and arsenal paid long before city and Chelsea came along pushed up the prices of players when city/Chelsea eventually came in to the market. Every one of the top clubs have had inward investment whether it be by a rich benefactor or by premier league and champs lge prize money when the competition first started

The monopoly of the top few clubs has disappeared at long last in England and there are now genuinely 6 clubs fighting for European football every season
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Re: Manchester Derby (On now **possible spoilers**)
« Reply #12 on: March 28, 2014, 05:35:04 pm »
haha poor butthurt Man Utd "fans" annoyed with how the season is going have done this:-

http://www.itv.com/news/2014-03-28/manchester-united-fans-charter-plane-with-moyes-out-banner/

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Re: Manchester Derby (On now **possible spoilers**)
« Reply #13 on: March 28, 2014, 06:15:46 pm »
Even when United were more dominant in the past often the likes of Citeh and Liverpool would turn up for most of the big games despite being lower in the table.

United have not done that at all in these encounters.
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Re: Manchester Derby (On now **possible spoilers**)
« Reply #14 on: March 28, 2014, 07:10:48 pm »
Said this to the lad at work. You can't compare the cost of the players Rio was signed years ago.

Then you look at the city squad. Certain key players were already there before they hit the big time.
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