Quick service question... TDI OIL

[Veee-dubber]

Hey guys.

2.0l TDI

is it 5/30 or 5/40 fully?

I'm thinking its 5/30 but could someone clarify?

Cheers all

[marko]

As long as its 504/507 spec...it doesn't really matter..
I use 5 30 castrol fst edge

[Teutonic_Tamer]

As long as its 504/507 spec...it doesn't really matter..

Sort of . . .

It must be officially 'Approved' to VW 504.00/507.00.  'Meets' or 'Complies with' don't cut it.  Also, there are vastly differing qualitied of Approved oils.  Whilst they all must satisify all testing requirments - some just barely meet said requirements, whilst others meet those with considerable ease.

I use 5 30 castrol fst edge

Good stuff - probably the best consumer brew.

[Alzak]

Hey guys.

2.0l TDI

is it 5/30 or 5/40 fully?

I'm thinking its 5/30 but could someone clarify?

Cheers all

Best oils on market in my opinion are at the moment

Liqui Moly Diesel Synthoil 5W40 for cars without DPF
Castrol EDGE Professional 0W30  for cars without DPF

Low Saps Oils with C3 approval.

Amsoil ECF Low-SAPS 5W30 for cars with DPF fitted
Ravenol VMO 5W40 for cars with DPf fitted

Both oils are synthetinc PAO oils not like off the shelf Castrols Edge or Mobile 1 ESP etc which are not fully synthetic oils ...

As long as its 504/507 spec...it doesn't really matter..

Sort of . . .

It must be officially 'Approved' to VW 504.00/507.00.  'Meets' or 'Complies with' don't cut it.  Also, there are vastly differing qualitied of Approved oils.  Whilst they all must satisify all testing requirments - some just barely meet said requirements, whilst others meet those with considerable ease.

I use 5 30 castrol fst edge

Good stuff - probably the best consumer brew.

5/30 Castrol Edge is not a really good oil, in my opinion is average oil to make some money for Castrol.

[jason_rmh]

Eurocarparts have an offer on 504.00 / 507.00 approved oil at the mo.
Triplex qx?

[xjay1337]

Use 5w40 oil for PD engines unless they have DPFs.
Offers extra protection when the engine is hot or under load. I did 150k in my old TDI which was heavily tuned, and driven pretty hard - Zero wear on the camshaft.
Changed every 5-8k depending on what kind of journeys I did.

I used Quantum stuff from VW.

[paulw123]

How about shell av-l, made specifically with VAG for VAG?  or maybe its just a special label on the bottle 

http://moto-oil.co.uk/shell-helix-ultra-av-l-5w-30

[MikLSP]

Out of interest, and this is something that I have always wondered when seeing string verdicts and opinions on oil, by what measures do you conclude whether a given oil is good, bad or indifferent?
Are you monitoring wear over extended periods and comparing brands, going off basic economy / performance, time between oil changes, resultant problems and issues or what?

I'm not trying to call you out all talking rubbish, I genuinely am interested in how people reach definite opinions on something which is seemingly difficult to interpret.

[Alzak]

Out of interest, and this is something that I have always wondered when seeing string verdicts and opinions on oil, by what measures do you conclude whether a given oil is good, bad or indifferent?
Are you monitoring wear over extended periods and comparing brands, going off basic economy / performance, time between oil changes, resultant problems and issues or what?

I'm not trying to call you out all talking rubbish, I genuinely am interested in how people reach definite opinions on something which is seemingly difficult to interpret.

There is couple of things you can look at

Kinematic Viscosity @ 100˚C, - Higher Better
Kinematic Viscosity @ 40˚C, - Higher Better
Viscosity Index - Higher for hot weather lower for cold.
Flash Point -  Higher Temp better
Pour Point - Lower temp better

[Alzak]

Eurocarparts have an offer on 504.00 / 507.00 approved oil at the mo.
Triplex qx?


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Triplex QX tech data sheet is not available so in my opinion is not a good oil.

VW approvals don't really mean a lot to be honest is just a proof that oil manufacture paid VW to be allowed to use their specification on oil label, there is so many oils on market without 504.00/507.00 approval on their label but meet all requirements or exceeds them.

Is just a marketing...

Is always good to check ACEA approvals as well.

[MikLSP]

There is couple of things you can look at

Kinematic Viscosity @ 100˚C, - Higher Better
Kinematic Viscosity @ 40˚C, - Higher Better
Viscosity Index - Higher for hot weather lower for cold.
Flash Point -  Higher Temp better
Pour Point - Lower temp better

Thanks for the info, these are useful factors.
Surely if everyone followed the same logic, there would be little dispute about each oil though, rather than opinions ranging as much as they do.

[Teutonic_Tamer]

Best oils on market in my opinion are at the moment

And your opinion is based on what?  

Liqui Moly Diesel Synthoil 5W40 for cars without DPF
Castrol EDGE Professional 0W30  for cars without DPF

Low Saps Oils with C3 approval.

Amsoil ECF Low-SAPS 5W30 for cars with DPF fitted
Ravenol VMO 5W40 for cars with DPf fitted

NONE of which have the appropriate VW approval.  

Both oils are synthetinc PAO oils not like off the shelf Castrols Edge or Mobile 1 ESP etc which are not fully synthetic oils ...

What a load of uneducated bullsh*t!  Of course Castrol Edge and Mobil 1 ESP are fully synthetic!

As long as its 504/507 spec...it doesn't really matter..

Sort of . . .

It must be officially 'Approved' to VW 504.00/507.00.  'Meets' or 'Complies with' don't cut it.  Also, there are vastly differing qualitied of Approved oils.  Whilst they all must satisify all testing requirments - some just barely meet said requirements, whilst others meet those with considerable ease.

I use 5 30 castrol fst edge

Good stuff - probably the best consumer brew.

5/30 Castrol Edge is not a really good oil, in my opinion is average oil to make some money for Castrol.

More blatant narrow mindedness.

And what is wrong with Castrol trying to 'make some money'?  ALL succesful companies - good, bad or indifferent - need to make some money.  Castrol are merely trying to recoup some of their initial investment for creating the OEM oils for VW Group!

[marko]

Think OP got his answer after 2 posts...
 

[xjay1337]

Liqui Moly Diesel Synthoil 5W40 for cars without DPF
Castrol EDGE Professional 0W30  for cars without DPF

Low Saps Oils with C3 approval.

Amsoil ECF Low-SAPS 5W30 for cars with DPF fitted
Ravenol VMO 5W40 for cars with DPf fitted

NONE of which have the appropriate VW approval.  

As already mentioned, VW approval doesn't mean too much. There are very high quality oils out there, which would protect your engine better than anything with a VW approval - but they have not been submitted for approval to VW.
These may be race oils which have a shorter service life or that the oil companies do not want to pay VW for their approval stamp.

Both oils are synthetinc PAO oils not like off the shelf Castrols Edge or Mobile 1 ESP etc which are not fully synthetic oils ...

What a load of uneducated bullsh*t!  Of course Castrol Edge and Mobil 1 ESP are fully synthetic!

No they're not, we've discussed this already.

[Alzak]

And your opinion is based on what?

NONE of which have the appropriate VW approval.  

What a load of uneducated bullsh*t!  Of course Castrol Edge and Mobil 1 ESP are fully synthetic!


It must be officially 'Approved' to VW 504.00/507.00.  'Meets' or 'Complies with' don't cut it.  Also, there are vastly differing qualitied of Approved oils.  Whilst they all must satisify all testing requirments - some just barely meet said requirements, whilst others meet those with considerable ease.

My opinion is based on studing various available data sheets and personal experience.

5/30 Castrol Edge and Mobil 1 ESP 5/30 are not fully synthetic oils, oil base is mineral with synthetic additives...

Just because oil do not have 504.00/507.00 standard written on it dosn't mean it can not be used in your car.

As per above this oils do not have 504/507 approval but do have ECEA C3 approval which is exactly the same thing but oil company decided not to pay VW for a licence to use their approval, simple as.


I was close to perform oil test similar to one below but financial implication stopped me from doing it.

http://www.animegame.com/cars/Oil%20Tests.pdf