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So I've been searching the forum and reading lots about remaps etc.
I have not found an example where an owner of a standard GTI or Edition30 has a custom remap on an otherwise standard car.

What I was looking to find out, was how far can the standard car be mapped before breathing, intercooling, fuel supply becomes an issue.  when I say "how far", I mean a nice smooth and strong map - not something that has a spike of high power at one point but everywhere else it is wobbly.

I understand there is a good reason why most people will combine a set of mods before investing in the remap - but I'm just curious if anyone can give me actual results along the lines of:

without other mods, we mapped it too xxxhp
sorting out the intake then tweaking the map resulted in a xxhp gain
exhaust + tweak = xxhp gain
hpfp + tweak = xx...  You get the idea.

Can anyone provide any insight into what they found?
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Re: How far can a custom map take an otherwise bog standard Ed30?
« Reply #1 on: May 30, 2014, 03:41:42 pm »
Stage 1 is as much as you'll get from a standard car otherwise they'd be no need for a low cell cat (or cat delete), a CAI, a bigger cooler or a HPFP to get any more from it. It's all about the flow and that'll be restricted without the supporting mods.

Not sure whether you have K03 or K04 but contact one of the custom tuners to see what's what. Niki at R-Tech for a custom linear map IMHO or a generic linear map from REVO are your best bets.

Loads of threads on every Level of map and what you'll achieve, even a thread on Dyno results, all in the Performance section.

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Re: How far can a custom map take an otherwise bog standard Ed30?
« Reply #2 on: May 30, 2014, 04:04:59 pm »
On my K03 GTI I got 248.3bhp from stage one custom (r-tech), panel filter and pre-cat removed. R-Tech's mapping techniques have moved on since then and more power and torque is available from those mods  :happy2: I couldn't speak for other tuners, I don't think they have investigated new techniques (certainly not heard about it on the forum)

Typically outputs vary dependant on condition of your engine and anciliarry components (these TFSI's mostly have 60+k miles now) and what hardware you choose.

Have a read through this to get a flavour of what different branded mods do for the output and curve:

http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,16977.0.html
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Re: How far can a custom map take an otherwise bog standard Ed30?
« Reply #3 on: June 02, 2014, 11:44:23 am »
Rtech is the place to go.

My GTI  (k03) made 267bhp and 324lbs ft with just a intake  :happy2:
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Re: How far can a custom map take an otherwise bog standard Ed30?
« Reply #4 on: June 03, 2014, 02:18:21 pm »
Good stuff.
I hear a lot of good things about R-Tech.  Might have to give them a call to find out what can be done.  But... before I do that - off to the dyno thread to see if I can get an idea of what is possible!
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Re: How far can a custom map take an otherwise bog standard Ed30?
« Reply #5 on: June 07, 2014, 05:25:03 pm »
Circa 290-305 bhp for ed30 is best can be achieved really
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Re: How far can a custom map take an otherwise bog standard Ed30?
« Reply #6 on: June 07, 2014, 05:39:48 pm »
Oooooooh R Tech I love you :booty: :booty: :booty: :booty: :booty: :booty: :booty: :booty:
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Re: How far can a custom map take an otherwise bog standard Ed30?
« Reply #7 on: June 07, 2014, 08:06:36 pm »
Oooooooh R Tech I love you :booty: :booty: :booty: :booty: :booty: :booty: :booty: :booty:

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Re: How far can a custom map take an otherwise bog standard Ed30?
« Reply #8 on: June 07, 2014, 08:15:46 pm »
Oooooooh R Tech I love you :booty: :booty: :booty: :booty: :booty: :booty: :booty: :booty:

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Not a troll at all lol, just bored of hearing about r tech


But I know a lot of people are bored of hearing about APR lol
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Re: How far can a custom map take an otherwise bog standard Ed30?
« Reply #9 on: June 07, 2014, 08:21:45 pm »
Fair enough.

R-tech have been recommended for the last 18months, it's was APR for 6months before that (when they came back to the UK), and before that there was 4 years of Revo  :grin:

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Re: How far can a custom map take an otherwise bog standard Ed30?
« Reply #10 on: June 07, 2014, 08:59:47 pm »
Fair enough.

R-tech have been recommended for the last 18months, it's was APR for 6months before that (when they came back to the UK), and before that there was 4 years of Revo  :grin:

There will be another tuner along soon to blow us all away

Lol I know mate, when I had my first cupra, everyone was starting the APR  vs Revo debate  :popcornsoda: :signLOL:
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Re: How far can a custom map take an otherwise bog standard Ed30?
« Reply #11 on: June 13, 2014, 07:14:27 pm »
Revo- r tech - apr.. Line them all up and i can assure you there would be barely nothing between them! Most probaly wouldnt even notice if someone came along and loaded a different map onto there ecu
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Re: How far can a custom map take an otherwise bog standard Ed30?
« Reply #12 on: June 16, 2014, 01:00:49 pm »
Revo- r tech - apr.. Line them all up and i can assure you there would be barely nothing between them! Most probaly wouldnt even notice if someone came along and loaded a different map onto there ecu

Absolutely, in terms of outright power the basic st1,2,2+ maps produce roughly the same BHP across the tuners, and the only significant difference in how it drives would only be where a customer has specified how they want a certain delivery, otherwise they would be fairly similar -this would also be the case for a custom setup for non-mainstream hardware (like James), this can't be compared like-for-like with another tuner.

The difference is "behind the scenes" in what your hardware is doing to make the power (Superchips evidently maxing everything out at low revs being an example of this) , and the health of your bank account.

Each tuner offers their own querks and uniqueness which will suit different tastes:

- Revo SPS switch (really this is a must if you have a Revo map), anti-theft feature
- APR for the cruise control switchable maps
- R-Tech for new Traction control mapping, hard-cut launch mapping, switchable using pedal combinations, anti-jerk mapping

(Think Revo & APR may do some sort of launch control and hard-cut limiter also but not sure). All the above offer linear throttle mapping, although IIRC R-Tech are the only tuner that offer a true 1:1 throttle map.

Pretty sure all that ^^^ is factually correct, but if any tuners want to correct me then feel free  :happy2:
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Re: How far can a custom map take an otherwise bog standard Ed30?
« Reply #13 on: June 16, 2014, 01:29:21 pm »
To be totally honest, I probably wont be bothering R-tech with a call, as it wouldnt be fair to just call for the sake of info when I know I wont be spending any money with them.

Reason for the post was curiosity.  Thought someone must have tried it (remap on std BYD engine).

Just to confuddle most of you.  When I'm ready, I'll be dropping a line to our tame engine calibration specialist Toyotec  :P

The name will be familiar to those who have ever posted on the ClubGTI forum or other Jap car tuning forums  :happy2:
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Re: How far can a custom map take an otherwise bog standard Ed30?
« Reply #14 on: June 16, 2014, 01:36:13 pm »
I've never heard Toyotec mentioned on this forum, are they specialists with the TFSI engine?

Having not been recommended on here (nor even mentioned), can they REALLY be as knowledgable as the tuners that have tuned thousands of these cars in various states of tune and tackled many faults they have come across with customers cars?

Also, as knowledge improves, the tuners further hone their maps to exploit exactly what these engines can offer. I doubt someone who hasn't been "messing" with these engines for years can offer this service

My advice (which I'm sure would be echoed by many other forumers) is stick to a tuner which has solid  recommendations on here to make sure you get the best service, for the best price, and who will give you the time of day if there are any problems in future. .

We hear it time and time again on here that someone has gone to xxxx tuner and the car is now having problems. The tuners present on the forum will always help you out and offer support if you have gone to them.

An example of this is viezu who GarethB went to for a map. The car performed badly on the road, and a Dyno session showed a poor performance. He switched to Revo and instantly the car ran better. . .


Anyway, that's probably the best advice this forum can give in this situation.

Good luck with which ever way you go  :drinking:
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