APR MQB 2.0TSI maps released

[simonp]

The Golf R only weighs 1410kg, which is lighter than a mk5 GTI.

[gtipirelli]

I thought the 5 door mk5 GTi weighed 1357kg

[simonp]

In RedRobin's suspension review he had the car weighed and it was 1492kg (5 door DSG)

[tony_danza]

That will have been a wet car, with him in it. That's the idea of corner weighting.

You want to be looking for the EU DIN weight, all fluids, 90% fuel, base trim (no extras), tools, spare wheel etc. basically as it sits on your drive ready to go.

You may also see EU EG, which is the same as DIN + a 75kg driver.

[simonp]

Finding those figures on t'interweb is like locating a needle in a haystack.

The 1410kg I quoted is from the Autocar road test and I doubt they sucked all the fluids out to weigh the car. If RR were to weigh 82kg, which would bring his car down to the same 1410, the mk7 R is still pretty light in comparison being AWD...

[tony_danza]

Oh, I'm not doubting the 7R is light. Just the minefield of comparisons as you've said.

[tony_danza]

Quote VW's website
"Like all Golf MKVIIs, the Golf R is lighter than its predecessor, with a kerb weight of 1476kg (1495kg for DSG), which is 45kg less than the MKVI and just 94kg more than the MKVII GTI with PP".

You can't get around the fact diffs/driveshafts/etc weigh something, but at least it's low down.

[simonp]

Autocar quoted the 1495 figure (test car was DSG), but found it to be 1410. Maybe the VW weight includes a driver?

[tony_danza]

That kind of makes sense. PITA for sure trying to get a straight fact on stuff like this. :)

[simonp]

For reference, the Leon Cupra test was 1441 claimed, 1400 actual for a DSG 3 door, so pretty amazing that the R can get within 10kg of a very similar car that only has 2 driven wheels.

[Markyed30]

Does this mean the new s1 will have 360bhp on stage 1!!!

[Janner_Sy]

Does this mean the new s1 will have 360bhp on stage 1!!!

http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,86569.0.html

[Shorty]

Does this mean the new s1 will have 360bhp on stage 1!!!

I'm still unsure what engine is in the S1, some people say it's the new GTI engine, but I think it's the old K04 TFSI lump?

[Beddie]

Fair play to Revo being upfront that their MQB map will be detectable by VW and will register a TD1 flag, would definitely make me think about the potential loss of engine/drivetrain warranty given the amount of S3/Golf R turbos that have failed already...

Taken from the Revo site ........IS REVO SOFTWARE UNDETECTABLE? SALES SUPPORT
By law, Revo and our Authorised Dealers have to inform you that you are making a modification to your vehicle. This modification should be declared to insurance companies. There are modification friendly insurance companies out there, just keep looking.

The long and short answer is 'No, Revo software is not undetectable'.

On first glance, there is no reason for your dealer to realise that your engines ECU has Revo Software flashed.  Revo create all of our software from full factory software, and write an entire software file to the ECU, as opposed to “data area” files used by other tuners.

As the ECU will ID, DTC check, and function as it would with factory software, switched to Stock Mode using an SPS it is virtually undetectable by the main dealer. Dealer tools are constantly evolving to incorporate new technology, there is always a possibility that main dealer tools could see that an ECU has been modified and isn’t stock.

If of course the dealer drives the vehicle in performance mode it will be obvious to the driver that the car has been modified. This could be confirmed by data logging the car and seeing that certain requested ECU parameters are higher than expected for a standard vehicle. The long and short of it is we cannot guaranty the software will go un-noticed by the main dealer.

NOTE: As of 2013, the VW Group online dealer tools have the ability to see software on any modified vehicle. When a modified vehicle is plugged in online it is flagged on the system, this flag is called TD1 please read the below overview:

TD1is the VW Audi Group warranty ‘Flag’ for a vehicle that has been modified, this is something you should all be well aware of. If you’re not then please note; since the change in main dealer on-line diagnostic tools throughout 2013 performance software can and will be seen when a vehicle is plugged into online at a main dealer. This is the case even if it’s switched to ‘stock’ mode, it is possible although not confirmed that TD1 could be flagged if a vehicle has been flashed with any tool other than the OEM online system. Our recommendation to all our dealers is to make the vehicle owner aware that their warranty will be affected if they have software installed on their vehicle; this isn’t anything new as we’ve never claimed software is undetectable however prior to the new main dealer systems Revo software did tend to go unnoticed.

[Janner_Sy]

Fair play.   I wander who got theirs flagged up at the dealers  to make revo do a press release like that