APR MQB 2.0TSI maps released

[Beddie]

I'd imagine that due to the widespread knowledge of the TD1 flag and the new ODIS diagnostic system on the MQB replacing VAS that they had to be honest from the start once that the knew their software wouldn't circumvent the system?
Probably find that other map providers software will flag the TD1 too? Let's see whether they are as transparent as Revo..

[RobH]

Does this mean the new s1 will have 360bhp on stage 1!!!

I'm still unsure what engine is in the S1, some people say it's the new GTI engine, but I think it's the old K04 TFSI lump?

With the problems of the new TSI engine (chain slip and oil starvation) I'd prefer the TFSI lump tbh... at least until things are well and truly worked out --- and would be extremely hesitant about mapping one for all the mentioned reasons.

A Stage 2+ TFSI one should have a slightly better power (360) to weight (1320) ratio (272) than a 996 Turbo.   Probably enough.

On the old mk6 tsi maybe, but ive herd of no issues of chain slip or oil starvation on the new tsi, do you have a link? Turbos failing yes but vw/audi have a revised turbo out apparently fitted to my15 cars. Well it has a different part number anyway. Wasn't the oil starvation only a problem when on track?

The fact is the new platform is leagues ahead in every way.

Also tuning boxes have matched Revo stage 1 figures like for like so just fit one of them if your that bothered. The old 2.0tfsi is old news, great engine but been there done that and moved on!

[tony_danza]

Jury's out on those being 'stealth' too. (EDIT) on some applications, the ECU logs abnormal boost/fuel/etc and raises a flag, unless you have the ability to wipe that, I think you're heading down the same creek.

[RobH]

Well an S3 had one with turbo failure and got sorted under warranty... Also had a forge intercooler...

Whos to say the ecu or some over controller that controls boost wasn't faulty that caused the higher boost reading?

With no trace of a box cant see how they're gonna say that was the cause.

[RobH]

This is all hearsay anyway, no one knows definitively what the ecu can and cant read, does and does not flag. Bit of fact mixed with speculation and scaremongering going on, mostly by people that don't even own one 

Both DTUK and TMC say definitively their boxes cant be seen...

[tony_danza]

Oh for sure, and it certainly helps if the dealer is on your side and happy not to grass you up to VAG.

Tuning boxes have caused warranty issues in the BMW world of late. I'm totally making assumptions about the VAG ones, but they're not daft and it stands to reason they'd want to wriggle out of claims wherever possible. They're suddenly, and aggressively looking for evidence of tuning.

[RobH]

After spending £35k on a car id be pretty pi$$ed if the dealer took Audi's side and grassed me up for something they could put through as warranty on a standard looking car.

As long as the car is standard when at the dealers I don't think they'd have a problem, just got to roll the dice on that one though

[rich83]

Anyone got a RR graph for a stock  300PS 2.0TSI from the MQB chassis?

[RobH]

I did have but dunno where it is now. Made 301hp and about 290ftlbs though.

One here http://www.audi-sport.net/vb/members-offers/223403-group-buy-fsr-petrol-tuning-system-26th-july-until-9th-aug-2014-a.html

[tony_danza]

Yeah, I'm sure that's the case in most instances. They've got to be pragmatic.

Where you come unstuck is when VAG want copies of logs and ECU data to support a big failure. The dealer can only do so much to protect you.

[RobH]

Yeah, I'm sure that's the case in most instances. They've got to be pragmatic.

Where you come unstuck is when VAG want copies of logs and ECU data to support a big failure. The dealer can only do so much to protect you.

I agree but to be fair they could have done that for the last engine not just this one and there's very few cases of that happening if any that I can remember in the 4-5 or so years ive been on these foums. Even RS3's S4's etc havnt herd of warranty been declined due to VAG seeing logs of higher boost pressures etc.

Obviously there clamping down a lot more these days so we'll just have to wait and see what happens on that front.

I don't think VAG are as keen as BMW on this front though. BMW seem to have it locked down.

[Beddie]

Things have moved on since the mk5/6 platform though...

The ECU flash counter was relatively easy to get around on the previous generation stuff and with a mod friendly dealer things could be hushed up should it all go pear shaped, as the MQB platform uses a completely different diagnostic protocol to the mk5/6  (ODIS rather than VAS/VCDS) and the TD1 flag is not even visible at dealer level, logs on the VWAG database to be brought back up should you turn up at the dealers with your engine in a binbag etc...

[tony_danza]

It'd be as foolish as thinking you can hide your "left handed surfing" by clearing your browser history. 

[Scottymon]

Lots of failures: http://www.briskoda.net/forums/topic/266114-18tsi-and-20tsi-engine-failures/
Time will tell whether Gen 3 and the 7 have the same issues.

There are a lot of EA888 Engines (quote APR):

Gen 1 Trans Version 1 - Bosch HPFP (US A3 platform vehicles)
Gen 1 Trans Version 2 - Hitachi HPFP (ROW A3 Platform Vehicles)
Gen 2 Trans Version 3 - Hitachi HPFP, No primary oxygen sensor (ROW Cheap A3 platform vehicles)
Gen 2 Trans Version 1 - Hitachi HPFP, Valve Lift, No MAF (New TT's only)
Gen 2 Long Version 1 - Hitachi HPFP, Valve Lift (A4 Platform Vehicles)
Gen 2 Long Version 2 - Hitachi HPFP, E85 Sensor, Metal Intake Manifold with 5th injector (Some new A4 platform vehicles)

There are differences between all of these engines too, including some depending on model year such as compression, pistons, rods, etc.

Gen 3:
All get the new head integrated manifold. Different designs depending on model.
All have no MAF.
Transverse and Longitudinal designs.
Bosch vs Hitachi HPFP.
Turbo exits on driver or passenger side.
Several different turbos depending on model.
Different Intake Manifolds.
Direct Injection and Direct Injection with Port Injection too.

[Janner_Sy]

The MQB engine is vast improvement to the Mk6 2.0T though.

I'd imagine  VAG will have addressed the flaws