Golf and Scirocco R Launch info

[chungster]

....But why lock yourself into a mindset which labels "Golfs" as only being produced and offered below a certain price level?

Is it badge snobbery? - If you spend an Audi/BMW price on a car then it must have the badge that shows publicly the sort of price you have paid?

And furthermore, it's merely a price level which some people here have decided either that they can't afford or simply don't want to spend. Which is fair enough btw.

Chase the vision and not the dollar.

For once in a good while RR, I have to agree with you there.    Read somewhere else, do people really think VW price setters thought once about "ooh what 2nd hand options will we be competing with??" Did they F**K!!! All this about comparing with 2nd hand vehicles is absolutely pointless. THIS IS A NEW CAR DAMN IT!!!  

[DanoGTI]

I'll bite

OK, they're comparing against new cars then - £38K for a PREMIUM hatchback, you've got to either be nuts or have more money than sense!!  

The smart person looks at the used options, as they offer more value for money.

So cars to compare to new then?

Litchfield Type 25? (Scooby AWD hatch)
Scooby S330 (STI)?
Ford Focus RS?
Audi S3?
Audi RS3?

All semi-comparable cars in terms of price/performance.....

Most much cheaper than the Golf R. The debate has been had before about who's top dog(premium vs exclusive) in the VAG camp, VW? Audi? Porsche? Seat? Skoda?

Now before I get ousted from the site I'm SURE the Golf R will be a great car. But most of us won't get to see one let alone drive one.

Regardless, VW have got their pricing wrong on this.

[RedRobin]

And there was me thinking that a Volkswagen was the 'people's car'....

Good point Luke.  38k people's car?

....Volkswagen were originally 'The People's Car", sure, but that ended many decades ago.

Who would you define as 'The People' nowadays?

[Poverty]

....But why lock yourself into a mindset which labels "Golfs" as only being produced and offered below a certain price level?

Is it badge snobbery? - If you spend an Audi/BMW price on a car then it must have the badge that shows publicly the sort of price you have paid?

And furthermore, it's merely a price level which some people here have decided either that they can't afford or simply don't want to spend. Which is fair enough btw.

Chase the vision and not the dollar.

For once in a good while RR, I have to agree with you there.    Read somewhere else, do people really think VW price setters thought once about "ooh what 2nd hand options will we be competing with??" Did they F**K!!! All this about comparing with 2nd hand vehicles is absolutely pointless. THIS IS A NEW CAR DAMN IT!!!  

Golf R isnt better than the 27k s3, or 34k audi s4 though. The pricing is sending a mixed signal. Audi is top dog, yet the golf costs more but doesnt offer much more if any over the S3.

Plus at 38k you might aswell spend a extra 4k for the TT-RS, and the RS3 will be cheaper than the TT-RS still.

[NB07]

it does start at 28k dano not 38.  

[Janner_Sy]

....But why lock yourself into a mindset which labels "Golfs" as only being produced and offered below a certain price level?

Is it badge snobbery? - If you spend an Audi/BMW price on a car then it must have the badge that shows publicly the sort of price you have paid?

And furthermore, it's merely a price level which some people here have decided either that they can't afford or simply don't want to spend. Which is fair enough btw.

Chase the vision and not the dollar.

For once in a good while RR, I have to agree with you there.    Read somewhere else, do people really think VW price setters thought once about "ooh what 2nd hand options will we be competing with??" Did they F**K!!! All this about comparing with 2nd hand vehicles is absolutely pointless. THIS IS A NEW CAR DAMN IT!!!  

Golf R isnt better than the 27k s3, or 34k audi s4 though. The pricing is sending a mixed signal. Audi is top dog, yet the golf costs more but doesnt offer much more if any over the S3.

Plus at 38k you might aswell spend a extra 4k for the TT-RS, and the RS3 will be cheaper than the TT-RS still.

exactly, the RS£ is where its at

[DanoGTI]

sorry - typo £28K for poverty spec...

[RedRobin]

£38K for a PREMIUM hatchback, you've got to either be nuts or have more money than sense!!  

The smart person looks at the used options, as they offer more value for money.

....Money, money, money - Is that the only value to consider?

[Janner_Sy]

not to sure about money money money

maybe value for money, value for money, value for money

[Poverty]

not to sure about money money money

maybe value for money, value for money, value for money

Agreed there, otherwise we all wouldnt bother with having a mortgage and be driving about in lambos and ferraris instead.

[DanoGTI]

I could argue this, but I'm not going to bother. I would be wasting my time

Good luck with your Golf R - I'm sure it will be a fantastic success.

Dan  

£38K for a PREMIUM hatchback, you've got to either be nuts or have more money than sense!!  

The smart person looks at the used options, as they offer more value for money.

....Money, money, money - Is that the only value to consider?

[RedRobin]

not to sure about money money money

maybe value for money, value for money, value for money

....Same thing inasmuch that not everyone is hung up on value for money. I hardly ever consider it. I can either afford something I desire or I can't. And if I pay a lot for what I desire, what does it matter? - I have the joy of having my desire. That's worth much more than money.

What's more important: The product itself (not just cars) you buy or what good value for money (aka bargain?) you thought it was?

What did Oscar Wilde say? Something about the money saved being soon forgotten.

[RedRobin]

not to sure about money money money

maybe value for money, value for money, value for money

Agreed there, otherwise we all wouldnt bother with having a mortgage and be driving about in lambos and ferraris instead.

....You actually do have a choice between a Lambo and a mortgage. It's entirely up to you.

[Msportman]

One thing for sure is that in the current economic climate people able to afford a £35-40k car must be few and far between unless you :

a) Acquire one of these cars as a company car
b) Live at home with mum and dad and have little anor no overheads and are on above above income of £26k
c)Director/self employed running it through a company

I sometimes wonder where and how people in the normal world manage to finance such expensive things. The reality for most of my colleagues is that they have kids and mortgages are on average wages and many of their wives are at home looking after the kids and most drive boring cars. Many of my mates love performance cars but wouldn't entertain finance to buy performance cars.
Interestingly according John Snow and his son who did a programme sometime ago over 2/3rds of the country earn less than the average wage of the then £24,600 a year. All I can assume is that people must loan themselves up to the hilt!

Back on subject value for money has always been my priority and making older cars faster.
 

[Poverty]

One thing for sure is that in the current economic climate people able to afford a £35-40k car must be few and far between unless you :

a) Acquire one of these cars as a company car
b) Live at home with mum and dad and have little anor no overheads and are on above above income of £26k
c)Director/self employed running it through a company

I sometimes wonder where and how people in the normal world manage to finance such expensive things. The reality for most of my colleagues is that they have kids and mortgages are on average wages and many of their wives are at home looking after the kids and most drive boring cars. Many of my mates love performance cars but wouldn't entertain finance to buy performance cars.
Interestingly according John Snow and his son who did a programme sometime ago over 2/3rds of the country earn less than the average wage of the then £24,600 a year. All I can assume is that people must loan themselves up to the hilt!

Back on subject value for money has always been my priority and making older cars faster.
 

There was a statistic out there recently, cant remmeber the exact figure, but the majority of bmw's are company cars, and the rest are on a lease type finance, where after 3 years they give the car back.